Log of OOC Meeting 09/04/2016
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:12 pm
Kinaed has awarded you 2 QPs: Scribe
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Kinaed has transferred Margaux. [OOC]
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Kinaed muses, "Today's Agenda is:
- Staff Updates
- Player Heartbeat
- Player Topics
Is there anything anyone would like to add to the agenda to make certain we discuss it today?"
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Axton claims, "Last time someone mentioned how you do that, but I missed it. The scribe thing."
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Elzenn gives a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm to Margaux.
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Kinaed says to Axton, "I have an alias that has the sentence recorded. HELP ALIAS. "
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help alias
Helpfile for Alias
Class: Command
Syntax: alias
alias [word]
alias [word] [substitution]
unalias [word]
The alias command allows limited shortening of command names. At this
time, aliases cannot call other aliases, and cannot generate more than one
command. Alias by itself lists your current aliases, Alias [word] lists
the alias with that name (if such exist), and alias with both a word and
an argument produces a new alias. You cannot alias either alias or
unalias to a new command. Examples of use:
alias gc get all corpse --> typing gc will equal typing 'get all corpse'
alias ff cast 'fireball' --> ff orc will equal 'cast 'fireball' orc'
Only the first word on the line will be substituted at this time.
It is possible to alias stacked commands (see HELP MULTICOMMAND), such
as: alias cloak cloak || swap
alias decloak cloak || swap
You can not access an alias if it is used as the second or higher command
in a multicommand.
(Subject area: general Last modified: Wed Jul 10 17:49:32 2013)
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Vicannia says, "I have like three small topics to bring up"
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Kinaed says to Vicannia, "Noted. Please type them up and I'll call on you to introduce your topics during Player Topics."
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Kinaed muses, "Anyone else?"
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Kinaed says, "Okay, I'll take the long silence as a go for me to kick off with Staff Updates."
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Kinaed states, "Last week, I worked with our host to resolve the memory issue that was crashing us. Then I came to you guys and asked you to all file your mail into ledgers, and get rid of any unused custom string objects lying around. As a result of your efforts, we've reduced our memory footprint by 20MB and our host has confirmed an application of about 100MB additional RAM to our account."
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Kinaed says, "Following on that, we've added some help files - Takta and I worked together to get HELP WAX BALLS into the game."
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help wax balls
Helpfile for Wax balls
Wax balls are a Lithmorran tradition that has spread far and wide throughout
the Five Duchies. Small, hollow balls of wax, they contain a secretive
mixture of fragrant herbs and other esoteric ingredients devised by the Holy
Order. Each one is a work of art, carved with a lacey, flowing pattern of
swirling water that only a master carver can achieve.
The Rhyme of Portents claims that "Wax balls ward off evil tidings," and
indeed, most Litmorrans believe this to be true. Members of the faith
purchase these expensive balls both to ward off the "evil eye" and some even
eat them if they feel they've suffered a hex. It's not uncommon to pass
Lithmorran homes with them hanging in the windows.
Rumors in more critical circles claim that all wax balls do is line the
church's coffers - the balls are expensive, and it's rare for common members
of the congression to afford them, though some freemen inherit them as family
heirlooms.
(Subject area: lithmorran Last modified: Fri Apr 8 02:00:02 2016)
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say Oh, cool!
Raymond declaims, "Oh, cool!"
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Blake says, "You're not even joking, I thought that was some inside thing I didn't know about."
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Kinaed states, "I think I had one policy case. I love it when everyone is playing well together, so thank you."
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Blake tries to pull his mind out of the gutter.
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Vicannia begins to move south.
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Vicannia slows to a halt.
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Vicannia muses, "So will wax balls be something that won't be given upon creation anymore?"
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Kinaed says, "I think that's everything I did."
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Kinaed states to Vicannia, "Apparently they were removed from chargen ages ago."
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Kinaed claims to Vicannia, "I never noticed."
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Vicannia trails off, "Weird... "
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Kinaed says to Temi, "You're up."
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Temi states, "Oh, not a whole lot."
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Vicannia states, "Same here. I could have sworn this character got it, and she was created in febuary"
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Temi says, "A little bit of nagging Kin to review the Vavardi helpfiles"
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Temi claims, "And a little bit of working on the Charali Colony plot."
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Kinaed states to Temi, "Oh yeah, I'll do that today. Keep nagging until I've resolved it."
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Temi nags Kinaed.
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Temi states, "And that's it for me as far as I remember."
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Kinaed says to Azarial, "You're up."
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Azarial says, "I've been working diligently on changing how our memory is allocated and used, which appears to have further reduced ram usage. it is also freeing what it dones;t use properly, giving it bak to the server and reducing our footprint."
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Kinaed nods at Azarial.
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Azarial states, "The next major step would be the statics mod."
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Kinaed nods at Azarial.
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Azarial states, "As a side effect, some of the odd little string issues are more than likely going to flare up into full fledged crashes."
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Kinaed trails off, "Also some minor things - notes search <string> has gotten a tiny facelift..."
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Azarial says, "Do not access the free list, for that is bad style and in bad taste. <_+<"
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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "Did I miss OOC chat?"
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[OOC] MurrPuffs: "Ongoing"
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[OOC] Temi: "We're just getting started"
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[OOC] Kinky: "Nope. Shall I trans you?"
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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "Yes!"
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Kinaed has transferred Leofrick. [OOC]
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Kinaed claims to Azarial, "Thanks "
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Kinaed declaims to Takta, "You're up!"
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Takta trails off, "Okay, so..."
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Elzenn gives a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm to Leofrick.
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Takta states, "I did some requests, did some typos, and other such minor tasks. I can't remember a lot of that right now because this week has been crazy. Next week is also crazy."
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Takta says, "But summer is approaching and in summer Takta does lots of things. So stay tuned."
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Kinaed beams.
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Elzenn says, "I have been very old hat, these days, mostly trying to keep up with board requests and getting back into the White Flame groove. You may have noticed (or not!) some ominous placards hanging about recently. Talk about them with your friends! Outside of that it's been a bit of general, behind the scenes maintenance stuff and nagging Temi until she told me how soft affects work so I can unsuspectingly stinkify you guys up. So, y'know. Good, clean times."
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Elzenn claims, "That's all for me."
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Estone declares, "And bug demonss!"
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Kinaed queries, "I think that concludes Staff Updates. Any questions or anything?"
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Elzenn squishes a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.
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Elzenn claims, "He is your friend."
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Fianna questions, "Are you guys aware that long descriptions on NPCs have ceased to be?"
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Elzenn nods at Fianna.
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Kinaed claims to Fianna, "Er, no. I was unaware."
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Elzenn states, "Az has been fighting that."
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Fianna claims, "Resetting 'em doesn't work anymore, like it used to. You can set it, but it doesn't display."
Axton puts a greenish-grey doll, in the likeness of a decomposing body in a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.
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Fianna nodnods at Elzenn.
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Temi claims, "It's a display issue, not that they no longer exist, I believe."
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Axton closes a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.
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Kinaed says, "So it sounds like Az is aware and working on it. We have a few high priority bugs - @ formatting, and long descs would be at the top of the list, I think."
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Temi claims, "Just not as high as the memory issues had been."
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Temi grins.
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Kinaed says, "It's probably related to our fixing how strings work in memory, please be patient."
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Fianna exclaims, "'Course! "
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Kinaed claims, "And also, please do report. Thank you, Fianna."
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Axton claims, "Bugged NPCs are a sign of progress."
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Kinaed says, "Anything else? If not, my favorite part of the meeting is coming."
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Kinaed snickers and nods to Axton, "Too true."
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Vicannia glances at Kinaed "The dismemberment of the unsuspecting meeting attendees? I didn't know that was your favorite part too."
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Estone muses, "While the @ issue remains -- double enter between lines works, yes?"
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Kinaed sticks her tongue out at Vicannia.
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Fianna claims, "I don't... think it does. I remember being told about @ and being super happy because nothing else worked to keep lines separate."
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Kinaed wonders, "Okay, it's time for staff to shut up and players to start talking. How was RP this week, folks?"
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Axton claims, "I just use line delete after. or line insert. Hassle, but works."
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Kinaed nods at Fianna.
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Kinaed nods at Axton.
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say It's been a lot of fun!
Raymond declares, "It's been a lot of fun!"
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l
A Comfortable Room
[Perfect]
A plethora of gaily coloured silk pillows with fringes and tassels
completely conceal the floor. A large pillow in the corner stands out, a
brooding black mass of velvet and fringeless. Screens of nature scenes
painted with the spare strokes of a brush that hint at and outline the
subjects, leaving much to the imagination. Behind the screens, silk
curtains and sheets painted with bright patterns hide the walls, pulled
back only around the windows that pierce the southern and western walls to
look out over a lush garden filled with an untamed riot of plants and
trees.
[ Exits: down ] [ Air exits: none ]
Leofrick is here. [App: 3]
[IAW] Margaux is here. [App: 5]
Blake is here.
Tacitus is here. [App: 3]
Kheit is here. [App: 1]
Gaspard is here.[P] [App: 2]
Feamanuslaewyn is here. [App: 2]
Estone is relaxing on his cloud. As per the usual. [App: 3]
Elzenn is here. [App: 1]
Vicannia is here. [App: 3]
Fianna is sitting on Estone. [App: 3]
Riannan is here. [App: 2]
[IAW] Takta is here. [App: 5]
Axton is hanging with the immortals. [App: 1]
Esther is here. [App: 2]
Kinaed is here. [App: 5]
Temi is here. [App: 5]
Azarial is here. [App: 5]
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[Action: Estone is relaxing on his crate of booze. As per the usual. ]
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Kinaed says to Axton, "We want to eliminate the hassle, but it may take a bit of time with only one programmer and a heap of stuff to do."
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Fianna says, "RP is getting veeeeery interesting."
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Kinaed claims to Raymond, "Excellent to hear."
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Esther claims, "I've had a lot of fun this week"
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Vicannia shrugs "Haven't really been on much this week. Been dealing with other things and stuff behind the scenes on this character
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Kinaed nods at Fianna.
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Axton declares, "Great! This is my first RP character I've tried, and I'm actually learning what to do. My mistakes are down to occasional! (help adjectives)"
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Feamanuslaewyn declaims, "I want to RP again, but I don't know how!!!"
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Kinaed says to Esther, "Awesome. "
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Kinaed nods at Vicannia.
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Kinaed smiles at Axton.
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Kinaed wonders to Feamanuslaewyn, "Any way we can help with that?"
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Estone states, "My trouble seemed to go over well, sans the hitches involved. That was pretty nice."
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Kheit is idle.
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Kinaed nods at Estone.
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Riannan says, "It's been a lot of fun. I just go find random people, and randomly, out of nowhere, inject my char in to the rp. Just because I can."
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Kheit is no longer idle.
Kheit has returned from AFK.
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Kinaed queries, "Is there anything people encountered this week that drove them crazy that they want to let staff know about?"
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Feamanuslaewyn says, "It's just schedule and distance from the game. It's hard trying to stay relevant with such long absences. But it's fine, I'll be able to get back in the groove."
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Fianna exclaims to Riannan, "That's the best!"
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Kinaed says to Riannan, "That's a great way to get involved. "
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Axton nudges Kheit.
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Vicannia smirks "Though while not directly related to rp, was super excited to see Help People Rhea get finalized this week." (Sorry, bit of a slow typer today)
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Feamanuslaewyn says, "Thanks though, Kinaed."
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Riannan says to Fianna, "Yes, I just hope no one finds me annoying, for randomly injecting my char in places."
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Kinaed states to Riannan, "If people have WhereRP on, our standard is that this is an invitation for others to crash."
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Kinaed smiles at Vicannia.
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Kinaed states to Vicannia, "No worries."
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Kinaed smiles at Feamanuslaewyn.
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Blake states, "It's a lot of fun playing here, some of the systems can be a bit confusing and there's a LOT to read, but I think the tutorial does a good job of teaching the basics and trusting the players will figure the rest out if needed."
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Leofrick gasps.
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Kheit says, "I'd say this week was rather solid, the only issue I'd came across is one that we were chatting about in OOC extensively, and that's the missing of emotes, especially towards cyans."
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Esther agrees with Blake
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Kinaed claims to Blake, "Also, thank you on behalf of the staff and TI community for our new forum logo."
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Estone queries, "I've been wondering.. Is there a comprehensive 'this is the important stuff' helpfile?"
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Takta says, "Logo's very cool. "
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Blake blushes, "Aww, chucks."
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Kinaed states, "Guys, please clear your image cache and visit the forums if you want to see it."
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Fianna gasps. "Logo?!"
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Blake claims, "Ctrl + F5 / CMD + F5 to clear cache"
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Kheit nods to Blake as well, "Yeah, it's rad dude, thanks."
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Tacitus is idle.
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Blake states, "No worries, happy to help. It's payment for the past week of funtimes. "
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Axton cracks up. "Speaking of ignoring..."
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Fianna says, "Duuuuude. Well done, Blake."
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Takta says, "If folks didn't see the convo Kheit is referring to, by the way, it's worth thinking about. I've definitely seen emotes get overlooked by their targets."
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Kinaed claims to Estone, "'this is the important stuff'... I think we have some new player faqs along with the new player zone."
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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "The nostalgia is -strong-."
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Kinaed asks of Takta, "Where is that conversation happening?"
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Takta says, "Or responded to in a way where it seems like people just aren't reading."
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Fianna peers at Kheit. "What was the convo about?"
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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Radical logo."
Temi states, "It was on OOC, I think"
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Takta states to Kinaed, "Oh it happened a few days back on the OOC chan."
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Riannan says, "Yeah, i didn't see this convo."
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Kinaed is guilty of that, btw. I just don't read thoroughly sometimes.
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Riannan says, "But then again I have ooc off and occasionally on."
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Kinaed nods at Riannan.
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Kinaed states to Riannan, "I missed the conversation also."
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Kinaed questions to Kheit, "Can we get a quick summary?"
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Kheit says to Kinaed, "Yeah, it was on OOC a while back. I know a lot of the time it's people just missing an emote, but I've noticed enough recently that it's bugged me.
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Gaspard says, "I do have one RP issue I'd like to bring up"
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Kinaed nods at Kheit.
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Kinaed muses to Gaspard, "Yes?"
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sayto kheit Thank you for bringing it up! I hope my PC has not done that to anyone. x_x
Raymond states to Kheit, "Thank you for bringing it up! I hope my PC has not done that to anyone. x_x"
(This is an OOC room. Nothing counts for rpxp here.)
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Kinaed nods at Raymond.
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Estone claims, ".. My browser is confused. It keeps showing the new logo then eating it with the phpBB. D:"
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Feamanuslaewyn wonders, "Kheit do you mean like osay or ooc chat?"
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Gaspard states, "Languages are awesome and -great- to learn and use in RP, but please be mindful that not everyone may know a specific language... and suddenly speaking it as a group can and will absolutely exclude someone from having much to RP off of."
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Blake asks, "Estone, are you on MAC or PC?"
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Estone says, "Former"
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Blake asks, "Which browser?"
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Takta nods at Gaspard.
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Kinaed nods.
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Estone pontificates, "Chrome!"
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Blake states, "Do Ctrl + F5 and it'll clear the cache and re-download page images, should fix it."
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Tacitus is no longer idle.
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Axton asks, "I'm still guilty of hitting enter when I finish my first thought in a pose, instead of taking time to put everything in it that I needed to, it takes some practice. As for languages, sometimes its an inside joke. Have you seen it happen much, like in mulitple emotes in a row, Gaspard?"
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Fianna says, "Oh god, yeah. When a scene just switches up to a different language without any apparent purpose to it and stays that way it suuucks."
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Kinaed nods at Axton.
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Kheit says to Raymond, "You have! Which is totally just an instance of people missing it, but it's the kind of thing that totally happens no matter what. I'm sure I've done it before. But, it's a huge, huge, turn off.
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Takta claims, "That's a good point I've experienced a lot player-side, too. Suddenly switching languages in public scenes has the potential to utterly cut other players out of RP."
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Gaspard says, "Say I've seen entire scenes where some players will end up doing that."
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Kheit says, "I should say, it's a huge turn off when it feels -intentional-, not when it's huge and spammy.
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Estone states, ":("
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Gaspard claims, "It happened to me during a public event actually when I was still playing Bishop Potter"
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Gaspard states, "When the Nobles all suddenly started speaking I think Vavardi or Tubori."
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Elzenn claims, "Also, IC-ly, it is something that's markedly rude enough to be socially looked down upon to do it in front of your betters."
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Elzenn says, "So's, definitely push that point IC, too."
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Kheit says, "I actually don't mind it at all, as long as it's address ICly, but it should be addressed ICly."
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Axton frowns. "Ouch. I've never seen that cuz I'll bug them if I see it as more than half an emote."
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Kinaed states, "Okay, so folks - please remember to try and read the emotes going around you thoroughly before responding. People took time to write something for you to RP off, so it's only polite. We'll all miss things upon occasion, but it's not a bad thing to have a community reminder. Also, please be judicious with language use so as not to greatly exclude others unless you have a good, IC reason to do so."
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Elzenn says, "...or, y'know, a version fo that sentence that made sense."
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Kinaed wonders, "Does that sum up the messages? Did I miss anything?"
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Kinaed nods at Elzenn.
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Gaspard nods.
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tell kheit I'm sorry if my PC has done that! x_x Definitely not my intention; I love when people emote for me!
You tell Kheit, "I'm sorry if my PC has done that! x_x Definitely not my intention; I love when people emote for me!"
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Axton claims, "I think a good policy is at most, half an emote in another language."
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Riannan asks, "Can I just say one last thing on the language thing?"
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Kinaed nods at Riannan.
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Temi says, "And feel free to OOCly ask someone in a tell if they missed something you're waiting on a response to, especially in a busy scene. Usually it's OOC, rather than IC."
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Kheit replies to you, "Oh, yeah, no worries, I'm not offended, I know it happens!"
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Kinaed nods at Temi.
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Elzenn claims, "That's not to say it's not something you can't intentionally do. If you are being rude on purpose, that's justifiable."
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tell kheit Can you please remind me when it happens so that I can recall what ever might've happened that I didn't read an emote?
You tell Kheit, "Can you please remind me when it happens so that I can recall what ever might've happened that I didn't read an emote?"
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Kheit replies to you, "Yeah, I'll make sure to mention it in the future!"
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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Though maybe you'd like to acknowledge it with rude RP."
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Kinaed nods at Elzenn.
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Elzenn claims, "(But yes, in Lithmore, you should be speaking the Queen's language.)"
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Kinaed grins at Feamanuslaewyn.
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Elzenn nods at Feamanuslaewyn.
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tell kheit Thanks!
You tell Kheit, "Thanks!"
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Riannan muses, "I just want to say, it's okay if you're talking in another language, especially if the person you're conversing with, is speaking in it. But to just be considerate about it. Like what I do, is speak in vavardi with one person, then switch languages, before emoting to another person in say lithmorran. So that way, everyone feels included. Plus, if you're wanting to say something privately to someone in another language, it's fine, as long as you're being considerate and switching over and including them in rp as well. Does that make any sense or am I just rambling?"
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Gaspard says, "That's cool. Just realize that it's considered incredibly rude IC to do that in front of folks who can't speak it."
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Kinaed states to Riannan, "I think it makes sense. The inclusion part is the big deal, not so much that people speak different languages."
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Axton states, "I think it goes along with what I said, half an emote in another language at most, for an inside joke or something private."
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Elzenn claims to Riannan, "It is, actually, not acceptable to do that, IC to do that in front of your betters."
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Elzenn flops.
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Elzenn tries again.
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Kinaed says to Elzenn, "But it does work with your peers."
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Elzenn states to Riannan, "It is, actually, not acceptable to do that IC in front of your betters."
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Kinaed states, "Elzenn is correct that speaking a language that your betters (ie, people higher on HELP PRECEDENT) to your character, can get you into IC trouble."
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Elzenn states to Kinaed, "Yeah, but I'd imagine it would be frowned upon."
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Axton says, "Betters would only count as Nobles, right? Gentry -technically- aren't any better than freeman, just richer."
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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Sometimes I have a hard time telling gentry from Freemen at first."
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Elzenn states to Axton, "Some gentry have titles."
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Riannan states, "No, but I've had my betters speak to me in vavardi, and then someone else walks in. But they, my betters are still speaking to me in vavardi, so I can only assume that they want to keep the conversation private."
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Margaux states, "Betters is a nebulous term."
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Gaspard says to Feamanuslaewyn, "Best way to tell is by looking at their clothes."
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Kinaed claims to Axton, "HELP PRECEDENCE explains who is the better of whom, in theory. "
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Estone says, "To be less of a teddy bear.. RP it out for everyone involved.. but it -can- be intentional use of a language to talk around someone, too."
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Kinaed claims, "In practice... gravitas means a lot."
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Kinaed nods at Estone.
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Elzenn states to Axton, "And a lot of it is who you are and how you act and who your friends are."
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Fianna wonders, "Titled gentry are still gentry, but... Generally speaking, if you think they might be your social superior it's better to be careful?"
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Elzenn says to Fianna, "They are, but some of them do sit higher in precedence."
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Elzenn says, "Justiciar is gentry, but still a Great Lord."
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help precedence
Helpfile for Precedence
Precedence is a nebulous concept regarding how Lithmorrans look at their
world with regards to who, generally, is the social equal of whom and so
on. On the abstract level, most Lithmorrans would agree about the
following structure of precedence, but individual views tend to vary wildly
based on one's own position in society and immediate loyalties. To add to
the complexity, precedence is situational as well - for example a priest
will generally be listened to regarding religious matters even if the
Justiciar were to give a sermon.
In general, however, most Lithmorrans would agree that the following
general order of precedence holds true of individual power:
First Tier
1 Ruling Monarch, Patriarch/Matriarch, Regent
2 High Steward, Heir Apparent, Retired Monarch, Duke/Duchess
3 Prince/Princess, Royal Consort, Cardinal
Second Tier
1 Grand Inquisitor, Great Lord, Count
2 Archbishop, Marquis, Grand Master, Proconsul
3 Baron, Bishop, Poet Laudate, Grand Magnate, Prime Medicus
4 Vicar General, Poet Knight, High Inquisitor, High Priest,
Magnate
Third Tier
1 Templar, Court Bard, Inquisitor, Magistrate, Untitled Noble
2 Gentry, Knight, Priest, Professor, Master Craftsman, Bard
3 Freemen (commoners)
4 Peasants (serfs), Indentured Servants, Slaves, Daravi
* Hillmen and Charali may not be gentry or nobles. Additionally, being
a Hillman or Charali reduces one's social status by at least a rank,
if not more.
Regardless of the above, precedence remains a subjective matter. Personal
charisma and business acumen, or a lack thereof, can override the perceived
social power of any given individual.
[ Press (c)ontinue, (r)efresh, (b)ack, (q)uit or hit (h)elp ] (75% complete)
Finally, precedence is a matter of social courtesies, not legal rights
or authority. Each title above has its own place in society, filling
different roles. Thus, the legal rights of a baron are not necessarily the
legal rights of a bishop, and neither do they share authority (ie, a baron
has no authority to order a man arrested for heresy anymore than a bishop
can legally invade the property of a freeman, and neither can legally mimic
the sumptuary of the other).
See also: TITLES, COURTESY
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Vicannia states, "Sometimes they are a great lord"
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Fianna queries, "A Great Lord isn't gentry anymore, though! Right?"
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Takta claims, "Great Lords have noble rights by law."
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Kinaed claims, "It's certainly not something that staff are going to come breathing down your neck about. The only reason it's raised here is as a reminder that language use can be exclusionary, so please keep that in mind. Everything else is an IC issue."
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Fianna says, "They're a Great Lord, not gentry."
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Takta nods at Kinaed.
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Axton claims, "Yeah I understand all of that, I was just saying technically gentry, on their own, don't outrank freeman unless they earn it."
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Vicannia states, "As I learned with misune, the title of great lord is not automatically granted"
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Elzenn nods.
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Elzenn states to Axton, "They are higher in precedence, so it's tenuous, but yeah."
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Feamanuslaewyn muses, "Really? I thought because of the patronym gentry were higher?"
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Kinaed claims to Axton, "I think they'd dispute that. "
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Temi states, "Gentry do outrank freemen, on their own, they just don't have any rights to do anything about it."
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Kinaed nods at Temi.
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Gaspard questions, "Wait wait wait, it's not auto granted?"
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Axton declaims, "Yes! that!"
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Elzenn claims, "As Temi says, they just can't decide to invest your house."
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Kinaed has transferred Margaux. [OOC]
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Kinaed muses, "Today's Agenda is:
- Staff Updates
- Player Heartbeat
- Player Topics
Is there anything anyone would like to add to the agenda to make certain we discuss it today?"
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Axton claims, "Last time someone mentioned how you do that, but I missed it. The scribe thing."
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Elzenn gives a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm to Margaux.
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Kinaed says to Axton, "I have an alias that has the sentence recorded. HELP ALIAS. "
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help alias
Helpfile for Alias
Class: Command
Syntax: alias
alias [word]
alias [word] [substitution]
unalias [word]
The alias command allows limited shortening of command names. At this
time, aliases cannot call other aliases, and cannot generate more than one
command. Alias by itself lists your current aliases, Alias [word] lists
the alias with that name (if such exist), and alias with both a word and
an argument produces a new alias. You cannot alias either alias or
unalias to a new command. Examples of use:
alias gc get all corpse --> typing gc will equal typing 'get all corpse'
alias ff cast 'fireball' --> ff orc will equal 'cast 'fireball' orc'
Only the first word on the line will be substituted at this time.
It is possible to alias stacked commands (see HELP MULTICOMMAND), such
as: alias cloak cloak || swap
alias decloak cloak || swap
You can not access an alias if it is used as the second or higher command
in a multicommand.
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Vicannia says, "I have like three small topics to bring up"
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Kinaed says to Vicannia, "Noted. Please type them up and I'll call on you to introduce your topics during Player Topics."
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Kinaed muses, "Anyone else?"
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Kinaed says, "Okay, I'll take the long silence as a go for me to kick off with Staff Updates."
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Kinaed states, "Last week, I worked with our host to resolve the memory issue that was crashing us. Then I came to you guys and asked you to all file your mail into ledgers, and get rid of any unused custom string objects lying around. As a result of your efforts, we've reduced our memory footprint by 20MB and our host has confirmed an application of about 100MB additional RAM to our account."
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Kinaed says, "Following on that, we've added some help files - Takta and I worked together to get HELP WAX BALLS into the game."
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help wax balls
Helpfile for Wax balls
Wax balls are a Lithmorran tradition that has spread far and wide throughout
the Five Duchies. Small, hollow balls of wax, they contain a secretive
mixture of fragrant herbs and other esoteric ingredients devised by the Holy
Order. Each one is a work of art, carved with a lacey, flowing pattern of
swirling water that only a master carver can achieve.
The Rhyme of Portents claims that "Wax balls ward off evil tidings," and
indeed, most Litmorrans believe this to be true. Members of the faith
purchase these expensive balls both to ward off the "evil eye" and some even
eat them if they feel they've suffered a hex. It's not uncommon to pass
Lithmorran homes with them hanging in the windows.
Rumors in more critical circles claim that all wax balls do is line the
church's coffers - the balls are expensive, and it's rare for common members
of the congression to afford them, though some freemen inherit them as family
heirlooms.
(Subject area: lithmorran Last modified: Fri Apr 8 02:00:02 2016)
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say Oh, cool!
Raymond declaims, "Oh, cool!"
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Blake says, "You're not even joking, I thought that was some inside thing I didn't know about."
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Kinaed states, "I think I had one policy case. I love it when everyone is playing well together, so thank you."
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Blake tries to pull his mind out of the gutter.
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Vicannia begins to move south.
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Vicannia slows to a halt.
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Vicannia muses, "So will wax balls be something that won't be given upon creation anymore?"
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Kinaed says, "I think that's everything I did."
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Kinaed states to Vicannia, "Apparently they were removed from chargen ages ago."
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Kinaed claims to Vicannia, "I never noticed."
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Vicannia trails off, "Weird... "
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Kinaed says to Temi, "You're up."
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Temi states, "Oh, not a whole lot."
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Vicannia states, "Same here. I could have sworn this character got it, and she was created in febuary"
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Temi says, "A little bit of nagging Kin to review the Vavardi helpfiles"
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Temi claims, "And a little bit of working on the Charali Colony plot."
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Kinaed states to Temi, "Oh yeah, I'll do that today. Keep nagging until I've resolved it."
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Temi nags Kinaed.
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Temi states, "And that's it for me as far as I remember."
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Kinaed says to Azarial, "You're up."
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Azarial says, "I've been working diligently on changing how our memory is allocated and used, which appears to have further reduced ram usage. it is also freeing what it dones;t use properly, giving it bak to the server and reducing our footprint."
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Kinaed nods at Azarial.
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Azarial states, "The next major step would be the statics mod."
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Kinaed nods at Azarial.
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Azarial states, "As a side effect, some of the odd little string issues are more than likely going to flare up into full fledged crashes."
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Kinaed trails off, "Also some minor things - notes search <string> has gotten a tiny facelift..."
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Azarial says, "Do not access the free list, for that is bad style and in bad taste. <_+<"
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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "Did I miss OOC chat?"
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[OOC] MurrPuffs: "Ongoing"
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[OOC] Temi: "We're just getting started"
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[OOC] Kinky: "Nope. Shall I trans you?"
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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "Yes!"
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Kinaed has transferred Leofrick. [OOC]
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Kinaed claims to Azarial, "Thanks "
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Kinaed declaims to Takta, "You're up!"
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Takta trails off, "Okay, so..."
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Elzenn gives a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm to Leofrick.
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Takta states, "I did some requests, did some typos, and other such minor tasks. I can't remember a lot of that right now because this week has been crazy. Next week is also crazy."
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Takta says, "But summer is approaching and in summer Takta does lots of things. So stay tuned."
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Kinaed beams.
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Elzenn says, "I have been very old hat, these days, mostly trying to keep up with board requests and getting back into the White Flame groove. You may have noticed (or not!) some ominous placards hanging about recently. Talk about them with your friends! Outside of that it's been a bit of general, behind the scenes maintenance stuff and nagging Temi until she told me how soft affects work so I can unsuspectingly stinkify you guys up. So, y'know. Good, clean times."
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Elzenn claims, "That's all for me."
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Estone declares, "And bug demonss!"
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Kinaed queries, "I think that concludes Staff Updates. Any questions or anything?"
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Elzenn squishes a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.
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Elzenn claims, "He is your friend."
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Fianna questions, "Are you guys aware that long descriptions on NPCs have ceased to be?"
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Elzenn nods at Fianna.
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Kinaed claims to Fianna, "Er, no. I was unaware."
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Elzenn states, "Az has been fighting that."
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Fianna claims, "Resetting 'em doesn't work anymore, like it used to. You can set it, but it doesn't display."
Axton puts a greenish-grey doll, in the likeness of a decomposing body in a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.
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Fianna nodnods at Elzenn.
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Temi claims, "It's a display issue, not that they no longer exist, I believe."
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Axton closes a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.
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Kinaed says, "So it sounds like Az is aware and working on it. We have a few high priority bugs - @ formatting, and long descs would be at the top of the list, I think."
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Temi claims, "Just not as high as the memory issues had been."
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Temi grins.
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Kinaed says, "It's probably related to our fixing how strings work in memory, please be patient."
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Fianna exclaims, "'Course! "
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Kinaed claims, "And also, please do report. Thank you, Fianna."
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Axton claims, "Bugged NPCs are a sign of progress."
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Kinaed says, "Anything else? If not, my favorite part of the meeting is coming."
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Kinaed snickers and nods to Axton, "Too true."
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Vicannia glances at Kinaed "The dismemberment of the unsuspecting meeting attendees? I didn't know that was your favorite part too."
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Estone muses, "While the @ issue remains -- double enter between lines works, yes?"
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Kinaed sticks her tongue out at Vicannia.
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Fianna claims, "I don't... think it does. I remember being told about @ and being super happy because nothing else worked to keep lines separate."
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Kinaed wonders, "Okay, it's time for staff to shut up and players to start talking. How was RP this week, folks?"
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Axton claims, "I just use line delete after. or line insert. Hassle, but works."
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Kinaed nods at Fianna.
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Kinaed nods at Axton.
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say It's been a lot of fun!
Raymond declares, "It's been a lot of fun!"
(This is an OOC room. Nothing counts for rpxp here.)
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l
A Comfortable Room
[Perfect]
A plethora of gaily coloured silk pillows with fringes and tassels
completely conceal the floor. A large pillow in the corner stands out, a
brooding black mass of velvet and fringeless. Screens of nature scenes
painted with the spare strokes of a brush that hint at and outline the
subjects, leaving much to the imagination. Behind the screens, silk
curtains and sheets painted with bright patterns hide the walls, pulled
back only around the windows that pierce the southern and western walls to
look out over a lush garden filled with an untamed riot of plants and
trees.
[ Exits: down ] [ Air exits: none ]
Leofrick is here. [App: 3]
[IAW] Margaux is here. [App: 5]
Blake is here.
Tacitus is here. [App: 3]
Kheit is here. [App: 1]
Gaspard is here.[P] [App: 2]
Feamanuslaewyn is here. [App: 2]
Estone is relaxing on his cloud. As per the usual. [App: 3]
Elzenn is here. [App: 1]
Vicannia is here. [App: 3]
Fianna is sitting on Estone. [App: 3]
Riannan is here. [App: 2]
[IAW] Takta is here. [App: 5]
Axton is hanging with the immortals. [App: 1]
Esther is here. [App: 2]
Kinaed is here. [App: 5]
Temi is here. [App: 5]
Azarial is here. [App: 5]
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[Action: Estone is relaxing on his crate of booze. As per the usual. ]
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Kinaed says to Axton, "We want to eliminate the hassle, but it may take a bit of time with only one programmer and a heap of stuff to do."
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Fianna says, "RP is getting veeeeery interesting."
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Kinaed claims to Raymond, "Excellent to hear."
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Esther claims, "I've had a lot of fun this week"
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Vicannia shrugs "Haven't really been on much this week. Been dealing with other things and stuff behind the scenes on this character
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Kinaed nods at Fianna.
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Axton declares, "Great! This is my first RP character I've tried, and I'm actually learning what to do. My mistakes are down to occasional! (help adjectives)"
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Feamanuslaewyn declaims, "I want to RP again, but I don't know how!!!"
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Kinaed says to Esther, "Awesome. "
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Kinaed nods at Vicannia.
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Kinaed smiles at Axton.
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Kinaed wonders to Feamanuslaewyn, "Any way we can help with that?"
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Estone states, "My trouble seemed to go over well, sans the hitches involved. That was pretty nice."
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Kheit is idle.
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Kinaed nods at Estone.
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Riannan says, "It's been a lot of fun. I just go find random people, and randomly, out of nowhere, inject my char in to the rp. Just because I can."
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Kheit is no longer idle.
Kheit has returned from AFK.
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Kinaed queries, "Is there anything people encountered this week that drove them crazy that they want to let staff know about?"
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Feamanuslaewyn says, "It's just schedule and distance from the game. It's hard trying to stay relevant with such long absences. But it's fine, I'll be able to get back in the groove."
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Fianna exclaims to Riannan, "That's the best!"
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Kinaed says to Riannan, "That's a great way to get involved. "
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Axton nudges Kheit.
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Vicannia smirks "Though while not directly related to rp, was super excited to see Help People Rhea get finalized this week." (Sorry, bit of a slow typer today)
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Feamanuslaewyn says, "Thanks though, Kinaed."
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Riannan says to Fianna, "Yes, I just hope no one finds me annoying, for randomly injecting my char in places."
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Kinaed states to Riannan, "If people have WhereRP on, our standard is that this is an invitation for others to crash."
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Kinaed smiles at Vicannia.
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Kinaed states to Vicannia, "No worries."
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Kinaed smiles at Feamanuslaewyn.
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Blake states, "It's a lot of fun playing here, some of the systems can be a bit confusing and there's a LOT to read, but I think the tutorial does a good job of teaching the basics and trusting the players will figure the rest out if needed."
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Leofrick gasps.
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Kheit says, "I'd say this week was rather solid, the only issue I'd came across is one that we were chatting about in OOC extensively, and that's the missing of emotes, especially towards cyans."
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Esther agrees with Blake
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Kinaed claims to Blake, "Also, thank you on behalf of the staff and TI community for our new forum logo."
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Estone queries, "I've been wondering.. Is there a comprehensive 'this is the important stuff' helpfile?"
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Takta says, "Logo's very cool. "
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Blake blushes, "Aww, chucks."
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Kinaed states, "Guys, please clear your image cache and visit the forums if you want to see it."
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Fianna gasps. "Logo?!"
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Blake claims, "Ctrl + F5 / CMD + F5 to clear cache"
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Kheit nods to Blake as well, "Yeah, it's rad dude, thanks."
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Tacitus is idle.
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Blake states, "No worries, happy to help. It's payment for the past week of funtimes. "
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Axton cracks up. "Speaking of ignoring..."
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Fianna says, "Duuuuude. Well done, Blake."
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Takta says, "If folks didn't see the convo Kheit is referring to, by the way, it's worth thinking about. I've definitely seen emotes get overlooked by their targets."
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Kinaed claims to Estone, "'this is the important stuff'... I think we have some new player faqs along with the new player zone."
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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "The nostalgia is -strong-."
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Kinaed asks of Takta, "Where is that conversation happening?"
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Takta says, "Or responded to in a way where it seems like people just aren't reading."
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Fianna peers at Kheit. "What was the convo about?"
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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Radical logo."
Temi states, "It was on OOC, I think"
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Takta states to Kinaed, "Oh it happened a few days back on the OOC chan."
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Riannan says, "Yeah, i didn't see this convo."
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Kinaed is guilty of that, btw. I just don't read thoroughly sometimes.
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Riannan says, "But then again I have ooc off and occasionally on."
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Kinaed nods at Riannan.
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Kinaed states to Riannan, "I missed the conversation also."
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Kinaed questions to Kheit, "Can we get a quick summary?"
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Kheit says to Kinaed, "Yeah, it was on OOC a while back. I know a lot of the time it's people just missing an emote, but I've noticed enough recently that it's bugged me.
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Gaspard says, "I do have one RP issue I'd like to bring up"
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Kinaed nods at Kheit.
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Kinaed muses to Gaspard, "Yes?"
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sayto kheit Thank you for bringing it up! I hope my PC has not done that to anyone. x_x
Raymond states to Kheit, "Thank you for bringing it up! I hope my PC has not done that to anyone. x_x"
(This is an OOC room. Nothing counts for rpxp here.)
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Kinaed nods at Raymond.
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Estone claims, ".. My browser is confused. It keeps showing the new logo then eating it with the phpBB. D:"
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Feamanuslaewyn wonders, "Kheit do you mean like osay or ooc chat?"
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Gaspard states, "Languages are awesome and -great- to learn and use in RP, but please be mindful that not everyone may know a specific language... and suddenly speaking it as a group can and will absolutely exclude someone from having much to RP off of."
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Blake asks, "Estone, are you on MAC or PC?"
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Estone says, "Former"
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Blake asks, "Which browser?"
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Takta nods at Gaspard.
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Kinaed nods.
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Estone pontificates, "Chrome!"
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Blake states, "Do Ctrl + F5 and it'll clear the cache and re-download page images, should fix it."
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Tacitus is no longer idle.
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Axton asks, "I'm still guilty of hitting enter when I finish my first thought in a pose, instead of taking time to put everything in it that I needed to, it takes some practice. As for languages, sometimes its an inside joke. Have you seen it happen much, like in mulitple emotes in a row, Gaspard?"
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Fianna says, "Oh god, yeah. When a scene just switches up to a different language without any apparent purpose to it and stays that way it suuucks."
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Kinaed nods at Axton.
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Kheit says to Raymond, "You have! Which is totally just an instance of people missing it, but it's the kind of thing that totally happens no matter what. I'm sure I've done it before. But, it's a huge, huge, turn off.
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Takta claims, "That's a good point I've experienced a lot player-side, too. Suddenly switching languages in public scenes has the potential to utterly cut other players out of RP."
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Gaspard says, "Say I've seen entire scenes where some players will end up doing that."
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Kheit says, "I should say, it's a huge turn off when it feels -intentional-, not when it's huge and spammy.
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Estone states, ":("
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Gaspard claims, "It happened to me during a public event actually when I was still playing Bishop Potter"
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Gaspard states, "When the Nobles all suddenly started speaking I think Vavardi or Tubori."
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Elzenn claims, "Also, IC-ly, it is something that's markedly rude enough to be socially looked down upon to do it in front of your betters."
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Elzenn says, "So's, definitely push that point IC, too."
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Kheit says, "I actually don't mind it at all, as long as it's address ICly, but it should be addressed ICly."
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Axton frowns. "Ouch. I've never seen that cuz I'll bug them if I see it as more than half an emote."
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Kinaed states, "Okay, so folks - please remember to try and read the emotes going around you thoroughly before responding. People took time to write something for you to RP off, so it's only polite. We'll all miss things upon occasion, but it's not a bad thing to have a community reminder. Also, please be judicious with language use so as not to greatly exclude others unless you have a good, IC reason to do so."
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Elzenn says, "...or, y'know, a version fo that sentence that made sense."
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Kinaed wonders, "Does that sum up the messages? Did I miss anything?"
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Kinaed nods at Elzenn.
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Gaspard nods.
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tell kheit I'm sorry if my PC has done that! x_x Definitely not my intention; I love when people emote for me!
You tell Kheit, "I'm sorry if my PC has done that! x_x Definitely not my intention; I love when people emote for me!"
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Axton claims, "I think a good policy is at most, half an emote in another language."
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Riannan asks, "Can I just say one last thing on the language thing?"
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Kinaed nods at Riannan.
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Temi says, "And feel free to OOCly ask someone in a tell if they missed something you're waiting on a response to, especially in a busy scene. Usually it's OOC, rather than IC."
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Kheit replies to you, "Oh, yeah, no worries, I'm not offended, I know it happens!"
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Kinaed nods at Temi.
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Elzenn claims, "That's not to say it's not something you can't intentionally do. If you are being rude on purpose, that's justifiable."
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tell kheit Can you please remind me when it happens so that I can recall what ever might've happened that I didn't read an emote?
You tell Kheit, "Can you please remind me when it happens so that I can recall what ever might've happened that I didn't read an emote?"
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Kheit replies to you, "Yeah, I'll make sure to mention it in the future!"
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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Though maybe you'd like to acknowledge it with rude RP."
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Kinaed nods at Elzenn.
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Elzenn claims, "(But yes, in Lithmore, you should be speaking the Queen's language.)"
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Kinaed grins at Feamanuslaewyn.
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Elzenn nods at Feamanuslaewyn.
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tell kheit Thanks!
You tell Kheit, "Thanks!"
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Riannan muses, "I just want to say, it's okay if you're talking in another language, especially if the person you're conversing with, is speaking in it. But to just be considerate about it. Like what I do, is speak in vavardi with one person, then switch languages, before emoting to another person in say lithmorran. So that way, everyone feels included. Plus, if you're wanting to say something privately to someone in another language, it's fine, as long as you're being considerate and switching over and including them in rp as well. Does that make any sense or am I just rambling?"
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Gaspard says, "That's cool. Just realize that it's considered incredibly rude IC to do that in front of folks who can't speak it."
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Kinaed states to Riannan, "I think it makes sense. The inclusion part is the big deal, not so much that people speak different languages."
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Axton states, "I think it goes along with what I said, half an emote in another language at most, for an inside joke or something private."
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Elzenn claims to Riannan, "It is, actually, not acceptable to do that, IC to do that in front of your betters."
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Elzenn flops.
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Elzenn tries again.
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Kinaed says to Elzenn, "But it does work with your peers."
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Elzenn states to Riannan, "It is, actually, not acceptable to do that IC in front of your betters."
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Kinaed states, "Elzenn is correct that speaking a language that your betters (ie, people higher on HELP PRECEDENT) to your character, can get you into IC trouble."
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Elzenn states to Kinaed, "Yeah, but I'd imagine it would be frowned upon."
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Axton says, "Betters would only count as Nobles, right? Gentry -technically- aren't any better than freeman, just richer."
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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Sometimes I have a hard time telling gentry from Freemen at first."
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Elzenn states to Axton, "Some gentry have titles."
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Riannan states, "No, but I've had my betters speak to me in vavardi, and then someone else walks in. But they, my betters are still speaking to me in vavardi, so I can only assume that they want to keep the conversation private."
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Margaux states, "Betters is a nebulous term."
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Gaspard says to Feamanuslaewyn, "Best way to tell is by looking at their clothes."
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Kinaed claims to Axton, "HELP PRECEDENCE explains who is the better of whom, in theory. "
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Estone says, "To be less of a teddy bear.. RP it out for everyone involved.. but it -can- be intentional use of a language to talk around someone, too."
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Kinaed claims, "In practice... gravitas means a lot."
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Kinaed nods at Estone.
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Elzenn states to Axton, "And a lot of it is who you are and how you act and who your friends are."
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Fianna wonders, "Titled gentry are still gentry, but... Generally speaking, if you think they might be your social superior it's better to be careful?"
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Elzenn says to Fianna, "They are, but some of them do sit higher in precedence."
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Elzenn says, "Justiciar is gentry, but still a Great Lord."
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help precedence
Helpfile for Precedence
Precedence is a nebulous concept regarding how Lithmorrans look at their
world with regards to who, generally, is the social equal of whom and so
on. On the abstract level, most Lithmorrans would agree about the
following structure of precedence, but individual views tend to vary wildly
based on one's own position in society and immediate loyalties. To add to
the complexity, precedence is situational as well - for example a priest
will generally be listened to regarding religious matters even if the
Justiciar were to give a sermon.
In general, however, most Lithmorrans would agree that the following
general order of precedence holds true of individual power:
First Tier
1 Ruling Monarch, Patriarch/Matriarch, Regent
2 High Steward, Heir Apparent, Retired Monarch, Duke/Duchess
3 Prince/Princess, Royal Consort, Cardinal
Second Tier
1 Grand Inquisitor, Great Lord, Count
2 Archbishop, Marquis, Grand Master, Proconsul
3 Baron, Bishop, Poet Laudate, Grand Magnate, Prime Medicus
4 Vicar General, Poet Knight, High Inquisitor, High Priest,
Magnate
Third Tier
1 Templar, Court Bard, Inquisitor, Magistrate, Untitled Noble
2 Gentry, Knight, Priest, Professor, Master Craftsman, Bard
3 Freemen (commoners)
4 Peasants (serfs), Indentured Servants, Slaves, Daravi
* Hillmen and Charali may not be gentry or nobles. Additionally, being
a Hillman or Charali reduces one's social status by at least a rank,
if not more.
Regardless of the above, precedence remains a subjective matter. Personal
charisma and business acumen, or a lack thereof, can override the perceived
social power of any given individual.
[ Press (c)ontinue, (r)efresh, (b)ack, (q)uit or hit (h)elp ] (75% complete)
Finally, precedence is a matter of social courtesies, not legal rights
or authority. Each title above has its own place in society, filling
different roles. Thus, the legal rights of a baron are not necessarily the
legal rights of a bishop, and neither do they share authority (ie, a baron
has no authority to order a man arrested for heresy anymore than a bishop
can legally invade the property of a freeman, and neither can legally mimic
the sumptuary of the other).
See also: TITLES, COURTESY
(Subject area: information Last modified: Thu Aug 13 01:22:02 2015)
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Vicannia states, "Sometimes they are a great lord"
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Fianna queries, "A Great Lord isn't gentry anymore, though! Right?"
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Takta claims, "Great Lords have noble rights by law."
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Kinaed claims, "It's certainly not something that staff are going to come breathing down your neck about. The only reason it's raised here is as a reminder that language use can be exclusionary, so please keep that in mind. Everything else is an IC issue."
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Fianna says, "They're a Great Lord, not gentry."
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Takta nods at Kinaed.
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Axton claims, "Yeah I understand all of that, I was just saying technically gentry, on their own, don't outrank freeman unless they earn it."
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Vicannia states, "As I learned with misune, the title of great lord is not automatically granted"
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Elzenn nods.
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Elzenn states to Axton, "They are higher in precedence, so it's tenuous, but yeah."
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Feamanuslaewyn muses, "Really? I thought because of the patronym gentry were higher?"
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Kinaed claims to Axton, "I think they'd dispute that. "
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Temi states, "Gentry do outrank freemen, on their own, they just don't have any rights to do anything about it."
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Kinaed nods at Temi.
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Gaspard questions, "Wait wait wait, it's not auto granted?"
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Axton declaims, "Yes! that!"
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Elzenn claims, "As Temi says, they just can't decide to invest your house."
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