Log of OOC Meeting 8/06/2016

[Penn]

Temi declares, "Okay, well, let's go ahead and get started!"
Ismael has transferred Galen. [OOC]
Temi says, "Kin wasn't able to make it at the last minute due to a class being moved, so she's asked us to run it for her in her stead."
Silrie starts to move towards the north and west.
[Action: Silrie stands on the escape hatch, eyeing Misune. ]Ismael has transferred Soheil. [OOC]Ismael has transferred Azarial. [OOC]Ismael has transferred Azarial. [OOC]
Temi claims, "Can we start out with a volunteer for scribing? This entails logging the meeting and posting it up on the forums."
Azarial raises an eyebrow.

Silrie cheers. Two Az's!
Penn claims, "I can do it."

Misune glances at Silrie "Even cuffed I'm pretty sure misune could push her out of the way easily."Silrie grins at Misune.

Temi exclaims, "Okay, thanks Penn!"
Temi has awarded you 2 QPs: Scribe
Temi says, "Now, our general plan of action is 1) staff updates, 2) heartbeat, 3) player topics"

Temi muses, "Before we get into the updates, does anyone have player topics to get onto the list?"

Jozafat hmmms.
Fyurii did his PSA last week, he's good.
Margaux claims, "Not a topic, just a reminder about the Seneschal debate post OOC chat today."
Temi has transferred Hunapo. [OOC]
Misune trails off, "Oh yeah... forgot that was today"
Ismael has transferred Yvonne. [OOC]
Temi states, "Okay, got Margaux, for another reminder then."

Jozafat states, "No topics here."
Ismael has transferred Benicio. [OOC]
Temi queries, "Anyone else got topics to put on the list for the end?"

Takaro states, "I'm good here, personally."

Temi pontificates, "Okay, continuing on then!"

Temi declaims, "Since I'm me, I will start with me!"
Ismael grins.

Temi claims, "I did not do a whole lot this week, but I did knock out a bunch of typos, and fulfilled some requests."

Jozafat blushes.
Temi states, "Of potential interest to people other than those who hate spelling errors and the people for whom the requests were fulfilled... I've added some of the cooking stuff sold at the Queen's Inn kitchens to Bountiful Table and Dafydd's General Store, for an alternative location."
The Courier hands Margaux a letter.

Temi says, "Bountiful Table being ingredient items, and Dafydd's having tools."
Ismael has transferred Leofrick. [OOC]
Silrie cheers.
Temi asks, "So! Az, available for an update?"

Azarial states, "Some."

Azarial states, "Alternated bugs and diseases for the most part. but the cold making the rounds finally got me, so output is going to slow."
Temi nods.

Azarial claims, "Secrets may act up; i extended them. not sure what else that would be relevant."
Zabris appears in a swirling mist. [OOC]
Snefru claims, "Hope you feel better soon."

Azarial states, "Thanks."

Temi wonders, "Alright. Thanks Az! Ismael, do you have an update?"

Ismael states, "I've been trying really really really hard to get back on track to my usual self as a staffer and I think I have done big progress. I've been working on the assets spec which is to replace purchase silver and purchase wealth with a system that'll let you develop your backstory and earn money based on that, as well as own businesses that are not necessarily shops. More on this to come through the next weeks, though if someone has any ideas I'm very open to listening to them through tells / pboards. I've done some mapping, some requests and a tiny bit of testing."
Ismael has transferred Estrilda. [OOC]
Ismael states, "All in all I'm glad with my progress after all the RL stuff and hope to do more this coming week."

Silrie grimaces.
Jozafat smiles proudly.Tacitus is idle.
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Ismael has transferred Estrilda. [OOC]Ismael has transferred Estrilda. [OOC]
Silrie muses, "So... I take it that's just for gentry?"

Temi claims, "My understanding is for everyone, based in their class."

Ismael states, "Assets are for everyone. It can be either your family paying you some silver, your small farm, or the taxes from your domain as a noble."

Silrie asks, "So freemen will earn less, etc, just based on the fact that they don't have the wealth gentry do?"

Azarial claims, "Has to be for everone if it replaces purchsae silver and wealth"

Temi claims, "Not all options will be open, but there will be good options for everyone."

Azarial claims, "May also subsume class wages"

Misune trails off, "It's probably better to ask once the idea is more... built"
Ismael has transferred Merick. [OOC]
Merick lands on his head
Penn says, "It seems like it could be less flexible, but it seems too early to judge yet."
(This is an OOC room. Nothing counts for rpxp here.)Misune has lost link.
Misune has reconnected.

Silrie asks, "Eep, may also eat up class wages?"
Silrie nods.
Temi questions to Ismael, "Anything else you want to tell them about it?"
[Action: Merick is here. ]
Ismael says, "Yes, it will replace class wages. It will probably balance the starting income for freemen and gentry and nobility and make freemen start earning less than gentry, though through assets they can change that through hard work and metric play. What I can so far say is that there will be several asset types which they can choose from or request their own which can be created very quickly by the staffers."

Ismael states, "And your income depends on metrics and other factors which we are working on."

Snefru claims, "That does sound interesting."

Merick asks, "Define assets, for freemen in particular?"

Silrie just worries about being able to pay taxes...
Azarial claims, "The definition of gentry will likely float once this is in."

Takaro says, "Yeah, that sounds really cool. Seems like a strong way to make money matter."
Ismael states to Merick, "A family farm, your family handing you some coins to make a living in Lithmore, etc."

Misune wonders, "What do you mean by float azarial? As in die or something else?"

Azarial claims, "Defined by income"

Ismael claims, "Also, another thing of interest:"

Misune nods to Azarial "As it should."
Fyurii claims, "Well, at least you've got two very caring and very rich Guilds that can freely provide loans."

Fyurii grins wildly as he rubs his hands together.
Temi states, "It's not that your class income is going away, it's just that you're defining what it actually is, and you're able to interact with it more."

Ismael says, "Assets can pay you in silver, objects (in some cases) and IP (in some cases)."
Jozafat nods.

Ismael says, "So if you have a farm, you can absolutely get raw apples from it."
Takaro begins to count their money.

Silrie asks, "So, does a person's established position count when this breaks in, or do we kinda start from scratch in that regard?"

Temi states, "Too early to say how we're going to do that."
Ismael nods at Temi.

Estrilda queries, "What about monies already saved will that be impacted?"

Silrie claims, "Haha apples yay"

Temi says, "Will not hurt your current savings, unless you want to use that savings for something related to it, I imagine."
Ismael claims to Estrilda, "What do you mean? Your existing silver? That's not going to change. What will be removed will be staff wages, the purchase silver command and the purchase wealth command."

Merick says, "Then you better increase my wages"

Silrie states, "Haha"

Takaro says, "Merick's wages have been reduced. He now has to pay to remain in the Order"
Silrie giggles.

Estrilda declares, "I realize I'm coming half way in, thank you for answering!"

Misune will have nothing to spend his little xp on by the end of this...
Alyce says, "That's the kind of wage changes I like to see."

Vincello wonders, "I am assuming by elminating the purchase silver command the hope is that economy will help get people trading money more?"

Fyurii says, "Welcome to the suck, lads"

Silrie is so gonna be joinin' the dolphin to pay taxes. DDD Silrie grins at Fyurii.

Ismael says, "The idea is that money will have an influential role which it doesn't have right now, yes, and to make things a little bit more realistic in that regard."
[Action: Jozafat is fining everyone for them munnies. ]
Temi says, "Wages from guilds will remain in the hands of guildleaders. Wages from background stuff will be based on what path you take with assets - there will be options. But more to come on this when we have more of a proposal from Ismael"

Misune will turn to extortion
Leofrick exclaims to Fyurii, "WE CAN FINALLY BE LOAN SHARKS!"

Alyce grins between Fyurii and Silrie before returning to the gremlin workbench and cackling.
Temi wonders, "So, Zabris! Do you have an update for us?"

Zabris claims, "Yep! I took care of a couple of building requests, tagged along on another one for learning purposes, and wiped some typo notes. Plan to do more of the same next week."

Temi questions, "Great, anything else you'd care to tell us about?"

Azarial says, "Note that this will be tweaked, naually at first, and propbably automaitcally to maintain a reasonable pool of glod in the system"

Galen exclaims, "I'm excited for assets!"

Takaro states, "Definitely supporting the asset system, it'll be fun to find a bunch of ways to have money coming in."

Jozafat doesn't get it but that's ok.
Temi says, "Okay, assuming Zabris is good then."

Zabris claims, "Yep, all good."

Misune is expecting to see assests making creating a character very difficult
Temi queries, "How's RP been this week? Anything bothering people that staff ought to know about? Anything awesome? How's it feel?"
Dancing creatures of myth and distant singing herald Xinoe's arrival. [OOC]
Temi wonders, "Oh, a quick Xinoe update maybe?"

Takaro pontificates, "I'm really, really looking forward to the debate. I think it'll be a ton of fun!"

Temi flutters eyelashes over at Xinoe. Silrie nods at Misune.

Vincello claims, "I've been having a great time personally."

Merick claims, "My bosses could do more, like make me a squire or tell me how to make that rank, other than that, it's good"

Laxus says, "RP has been good, hoping to hear about my app soon so I don't have to bug all the staff *innocent*"

Benicio declares, "Loads of fun!"
Temi muses to Merick, "Have you told your guildleaders that?"

Tacitus states, "Entertaining. :)"

Merick asks, "Innocent, around here?"

Vincello says, "I think it would be good to see some more guild interaction for progression there is that. But people have lives. So that doesn't bother me really, either."

Fyurii states, "Just been working thru bloody logistics, over here. The paperwork, hell."

Misune don't know how rp has been, as I've been sick and crappy internet the last week, which has equalled me being non-existant
Alyce says "RP hasn't been bad!! When I've actually felt up to coming on XD" she then glares to merick "You'll git it when ya get it."
Jozafat says, "Too quiet but I've been logging in less tbh"

Alyce gives Merick a wink afterwards.
Takaro nods at Fyurii. "I've been dealing with paperwork on my alts lately. It can get interesting, that's for sure."
Silrie shrugs. "Been fine."
Galen declaims, "I've been having a good time!"

Temi queries, "Is the people that have been around less due to RL or due to stuff going on with the game?"

Estrilda claims, "RL"

Merick declares, "Ok so never mind me I need to work a lot harder to reach squire, dammit! lol"

Temi states, "I wish we could fix your RLs for you, but I'm afraid that's out of my jurisdiction."
Temi grins.
Zabris has gone AFK.

Alyce says "Mine's been due to RL. I haven't felt in the RP mood as much. I've been trying to get on to do GL stuff though... but when the motivation isn't there it gets hard D:"
Jozafat claims, "RL, really."

Xinoe states, "Sorry I'm late! I can do a quick update."

Silrie got a new merchant role this week, so that was the highlight of my rp.
Leofrick drags RL into Temi's jurisdiction.Temi claims to Xinoe, "Awesome! Update would be great."

Merick says, "I should reach out to the merchants, I keep meaning to but then people keep stirring trouble"
Jozafat claims to Temi, "Fix me real life pleazee"

Xinoe states, "More of the same from last week. I've cleared a lot more typos and request board notes, a good handful of building jobs. The board lists are getting smaller and I hope you've all seen a reduction in wait time. Please, review your pending notes. Sometimes we wait for responses from you to remove them, and sometimes they get buried and we don't realize you're waiting on us, so removing completed or otherwise obsolete notes helps us find what still needs help a lot faster."
Ismael nods in agreement.

Laxus wonders, "After the OOC meeting could I bug staff a minute? "
Temi nods at Laxus.

Temi states, "Also, if you haven't heard on something and it's been a few days, post a question on the note about it."

Vincello still has to figure out how to legit use the notes.
Jozafat wonders, "Remove notes? omg I didn't know I had to do that"

Temi declaims, "But yeah, check in on your notes. If we ask questons, it helps to have answers for those. On bug notes too!"

Temi says, "We remove notes that we know we can, but sometimes we don't know if you've just given up on something."
Jozafat nods.

Temi questions, "Or if it's asking for info, and we post the info and... is there follow up on it?"
Kyra is idle.
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Temi wonders, "Okay, thanks Xin! Anyone else have comments on heartbeat before we move on?"
Xinoe smiles.

Temi muses, "I'll take that as a no... okay, Misune! You have a topic for us today?"

Misune um... wasn't there someone else before me?Temi states to Misune, "Just a reminder, I was going to put at the end"

Misune clears throat "Ah ok... Well my question was regarding plot advances. If a plot advance is involved in a situation that is currently hindering rp, does it take precedence over a plot advance that isn't negatively holding up rp?
Misune says, "For example, plot advance/rpa that involved a case, where order/reeves are trying to do something that requires staff assistance"

Temi claims, "If I know something is holding up RP, I'll definitely prioritize it, though more priority goes to what I already have the tools to handle"
Soheil is idle.

Misune nods
Temi says, "I assume other staffers do similarly, though there's no official rules on it"

Misune that was all I wanted to ask then.
Temi states, "If you're concerned about the recent stuff regarding you, made a point to handle it within a day"

Misune claims, "It was just one thing, though I'm not overly concerned about it as I did bring it upon myself in the end"

Misune states, "And my lack of being around has not helped"
Temi nods.

Temi trails off, "Okay then, a PSA for people..."
Yvonne is idle.

Temi claims, "We'd love it if you guys could use visnet to ask questions wherever appropriate, and mage channel for magic related stuff, and for people to jump in and answer whenever they can."
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Yvonne has returned from AFK.

Misune coughs
Temi claims, "And try to avoid asking for staff members on visnet unless you really need us immediately. Request notes are much better for us to prioritize time."
Jozafat nods.

Jozafat says, "Apologies."

Temi states, "Not calling down anyone specific and I'm sure most people are just following a pattern they see from everyone."
Temi grins.

Fyurii claims, "Alternatively, all the players could pitch in 20 bucks a pop and get a boatload of amphetamines for the staff. Then we'd never have to worry about requests taking time ever again."
Jozafat nods.
Jozafat claims to Fyurii, "I like that."

Vincello plus ones. And is totally not an enabler.
Alyce nods to Fyurii "This is possible."
Yvonne trails off, "That sounds like a bad idea...."

Jozafat states, "20 bucks is a lot of money for this latino, but still worth it."

Takaro says, "Give me all the money, and I'll make sure the staff get what they need."

Hunapo claims, "It is the withdrawal that scares me"

Alyce eyes takaro warily.
Fyurii states, "Just get all the staff those turkish rip-its and call it a day."

Jozafat turns his head back to Temi, to listen again.
Alyce suggest to hunapo "Just go see chow and get a detox man. Cleanse with the power of a sun."
Takaro says, "My paypal is 'notacrooknixon93@mail.ru'"

Margaux squints.
Merick snorts
Temi says, "If it's a question that does not risk your character in game, ask on visnet. If it's a question that is magic related, ask on mage channel. If it's a bug, post a bug note with a log and as much info as you can give. If it's something you want to figure out with staff, post a reques note. And if you are immediately stuck somewhere, need RPA for currently happening RP, need policy on current RP... that would be a time to ask for staff immediately."

Estrilda trails off, "Oh wow I love your email..."
Jozafat nods.

Temi declaims, "Xinoe plans to help with some more explanation in a reminder note coming up soon, so watch for that!"
Fyurii nods.

Vincello bobbles his head.
Temi declares, "Hopefully that clarifies our ideal procedures some!"
Xinoe nods.

Temi queries, "Okay then.. Margaux! You have a reminder for us about your event today?"

Margaux says, "Yes! Hosting the seneschal debate in... about 40 mins from now (I need to grab breakfast beforehand). I'll send out messengers to announce it."
Benicio is idle.
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Temi claims, "Okay, great! That should be good."
Benicio is no longer idle.Benicio has returned from AFK.
Leofrick asks of Margaux, "Should I bring drugs, slip them on a candidate's pocket and have them kicked out for foul play? =D"
Margaux says to Leofrick, "Ask their rivals. :)"

Leofrick coughs.
Temi asks, "Anyone else come up with anything else they'd like to mention or discuss before we call it?"

Misune claims, "I have something actually, more so for the gathered players"
Temi nods at Misune.

Temi exclaims, "Okay, go ahead!"

Misune says, "What is the point of password protecting your character blog posts? I've noticed it has become somewhat of a trend lately and frankly to me it seems like it defeats the purpose."

Jozafat raises a hand shyly.Margaux has gone AFK.

Silrie claims, "To avoid metagamers"

Fyurii claims, "IC, OOC crossover would be my frist guess."

Fyurii claims, "First, even."

Silrie states, "They're not barred to everyone for me, just most"

Jozafat frists Fyurii.
Temi says, "You can share them with the people involved in the RP, for example"

Temi says, "And you can write them as they are happening and then open them all up later when the character dies"
Fyurii says to Jozafat, "Anything's a toy if you're brave enough."

Jozafat grins.
Takaro says, "I didn't even know there were character blogs, I just write everything down in ingame journals and the like"

Alyce was about to ask what the point if noone could see it but now I see you can share it and... yeah...
Jozafat says, "I have something to say too."
Jozafat stands up.

Temi declaims, "Okay then, Jozafat!"
Silrie declaims to Takaro, "*grins* Don't let that be common knowledge!"
Leofrick trails off to Takaro, "Use both, we want those Journals..."

Misune trails off, "Hmm... Still seems weird. Feels like everyone recently is concerned about metagaming, when before it never seemed to be a problem... or at least the paranoia wasn't"

Estrilda wonders, "So the blog is like an IC journal? Isn't that sorta the same threat as having gnotes for files in a paper based society?"

Estrilda claims, "Thread not threat"

Silrie claims, "Online journals are ooc"

Estrilda declares, "Oh!"

Silrie claims, "You can write the same in game, but it's not necessary"

Misune wonders, "Then why are you writing ic info in it?"

Jozafat looks at Temi embarrassedly: "At the risk of sounding like a helpless idiot. I'd request that the tool helpfile get some clearer instructions."
Vincello states, "Oh, my, god. yes."

Fyurii laughs and +1's Jozafat's comment.
Estrilda nods with Jozafat.
Merick says, "Agreed."

Fyurii states, "Alright, yeah. I figured it out out of a stroke of bloody luck but yeah, it's hilariously odd."

Jozafat claims, "The amount of frustration and GM time I have leeched because of it is not good."

Xinoe says, "No, blogs are or can be filled with IC information. There is an expectation that, like everything else, nothing you see there should be known IC where it's been OOCly gleaned."

Temi claims, "Blogs are OOC to use as a way to be creative and inspired based on IC stuff. You're not allowed to use it IC, but those putting stuff up should know there's a risk of people using it."

Hunapo queries, "You all don't learn by trial and error?"
Xinoe nods at Temi.

Temi trails off, "I did make a tool tutorial..."

Jozafat trails off, "Well..."

Vincello says, "Oh I do. just there's a point where I want to rip my brain out and just junk it after spending time working on something just for it to get all muddled when tooling."

Takaro says, "Most of my problems with the tooling system were as a result of not knowing the 'label' command existed. After that, I had a pretty easy time."

Fyurii states, "Hoi, the current helpfile is better then the last time I had to jot it down."

Jozafat looks around before looking again at Temi, smiling: "I'm not alone here."Temi states to Jozafat, "Nope! It's a tough command... super flexible and you can do tons with it.. but that does make it tough, especially to start"

Alyce says "I find them as a sort of fun way to write down (and explore) your characters true inner self and state of mind etc. Lets you play with some traits that you don't get to show off ic as much due to keeping up appearances etc? Like some characters who might be quite childish and bubbly at heart but have to keep a serious showing to others?"Kyra is idle.
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Fyurii claims, "What's the label command? Maybe I'll just ask that over vis."
Silrie nods at Alyce.

Xinoe claims, "Almost everything we have has a help file."

Misune claims, "Label (item) (Keyword)"

Xinoe states, "If it doesn't, it's probably an accident."

Jozafat nods at Temi, twiddling his sausage like fingers: "Yeah. I'd love for clearer instructions."
Temi says, "Hrm, the guide I wrote uses the restring command. http://ti-legacy.com/customizing-clothe ... ther-items/"

Vincello bobs his head in agreement.Silrie gets a bowl of crispy ginger-rubbed pork served with fruit salsa from a handled, compartmentalized box of neatly wrapped food.
Silrie eats a bowl of crispy ginger-rubbed pork served with fruit salsa.

Fyurii says, "Oh, fuckin hell! That's useful as Arien."
Silrie puts a bowl of crispy ginger-rubbed pork served with fruit salsa in a handled, compartmentalized box of neatly wrapped food.

Temi claims, "Restring and tool have the same syntax, so you can use that guide"

Takaro claims, "Yeah, some of the most fun I have in the game is writing my character's feelings on some obscure subject. And yeah, the label command is absolutely fantastic."
Silrie nods at Takaro.

Temi says, "Restring just has limitations on what you can do it on and where, but it doesn't have to be 'retoolable' stuff"

Jozafat smiles at Temi and nods gratefully: "Thanks. Appreciated."Jozafat sits down on the ground.

Fyurii says, "Hoi, Sil, I could bloody strangle you right now, letting me stumble thru my restring shenannigans without telling me that existed-"

Silrie didn't know you didn't know. Haha.
Fyurii rambles on about it for a few more minutes.
Temi asks, "Okay, anything else for folks?"

Merick states, "I'm just here to listen"

Fyurii claims, "Nawh, let me go be old again OOC'ly and on-grid, gotta get them effing kids off my lawn again."

Misune states, "Nothing except having mail that you can not retrieve is torture"
Temi comforts Misune.

Temi claims, "Feel your pain"

Misune trails off, "4 weeks that red hell symbol has taunted me..."

Alyce pouts at Fyurii "But I like your lawn!! I WANNA STAY!"
Silrie questions, "Holy crap, you've beein in jail for a month?"

Temi says, "If it helps, it's never anything good, all the times I've been in that state"

Silrie asks, "With nothing happening?"
Xinoe nods at Temi.

Misune claims, "Mostly by my own fault silrie"

Silrie grimaces at the horror of the boredom though!
Misune trails off, "I haven't been around due to internet..."

Silrie claims, "Oooh"

Misune gestures to his general board note
Silrie pontificates, "Ah well that makes more sense. I'm distracted. Was gonna be like, omg 4 weeks of booooredooooom!"

Takaro says, "I always feel absolutely terrible when people languish in jail. Happened to me once years ago on a mageling I played, was terrifying. :("

Temi claims, "Okay, I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting then. Take the next half hour to get ready for the debates or.. do whatever sounds like the most fun of the available options."
Temi grins.
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Silrie grins at Takaro.

Yvonne asks, "Debates?"
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Laxus exclaims, "Don't forget about me please! "
Temi claims to Yvonne, "Margaux is hosting debates for the Seneschal position ICly in like 30 minutes"
Merick begins to count their money.

Jozafat states, "I'm ready."

Misune makes a break for the escape hatch... not really
Merick claims, "Nice"

Silrie is toppled over.
Temi claims, "Okay, sending everyone back and then I'll grab Laxus again"

Alyce flails to the floor dramatically for now reason.
Takaro desperately prays he doesn't win.
Temi has transferred Penn.