Ivar states, "I don't like the idea of it being a purchase. They're already difficult to play, limiting their starting experience to do so is another addition of difficulty needed."
Prisca nods in agreement with Cee.
Cee claims, "I really didn't feel 'bullied' in the slightest when I was new, in fact."
Edwin says, "I don't see why you'd have to pay XP to get shit on."
Temi queries, "So I think they are suggesting a larger barrier for it?"
Cee declaims, "When I was new I thought you were all being too soft on me for my race!"
Prisca says, "I think it's fine as-is."
Maura says, "Not a fan of it being yet another xp sink"
Temi states, "Really, there's no advantage to being a savage, which is why I'd be worried about charging for it."
Prisca nods in agreement with Temi.
Iorel says, "If not a purchase, then a more formal application might be nice."
Ivar states, "Agreed, Temi"
Calanthe states, "I'm not against the idea of, if you're playing an 'obvious' biracial Charali or Hillman, that your coded race be Charali or Hillman."
Ivar claims, "Maybe limit the number of savages."
Prisca nods at Calanthe.
Cee states, "I sure as hell didn't pick my race for any advantage, or any disadvantages, I just loved the theme and wanted to play them."
Temi states, "I'd not be opposed to upping the 'discuss with staff' to an actual application"
Iorel nods in agreement with Calanthe.
Cee says, "Discuss with staff is good, yeah."
Kinaed queries, "What is the problem people perceive that we're trying to target? Is it really newbies getting bullied, or is it that people don't like how some new players are playing the race?"
Iorel nods at Temi.
Temi muses, "But has there been actual issues?"
Kinaed nods at Temi.
Prisca says, "Not sure, I love my savages, would hate to see even fewer of them."
Iorel states, "I have had my characters treat cyan charali/hillmen as savages and had negative OOC reactions to that."
Kinaed nods at Prisca.
Temi questions to Iorel, "From the player or otehrs?"
Ivar questions, "Maybe make it application and automatically remove cyan status?"
Iorel states, "Both, at times. Never to the point I thought to report it, but like .. People 'shutting down' their emotes, or doing things like 'osay lol' or small bits."
Temi says, "Because they are opting in for poor treatment."
Vlora claims, "I think the main point raised was playing 'half-breeds' specially was a way to get around the coded difficulties of playing a savage race. "
Maura questions, "So the issue is people being uniformed and unprepared for actually playing a savage?"
Cee queries, "Just make it clear in the discussion you have with the new player that 'you're gonna be bullied you understand'?"
Edwin claims, "I'm pretty sure I'm playing the only obvious halfbreed character. If the dig is that I made him Lithmorran it's because I didn't know that Charali were gingers. It was never intended at concept, just something I ran with as a Cyan when asked about it IC."
Calanthe says, "I think that code setting would be a fair compromise. I wouldn't want to see them further restricted, but I think with players' general preference to be inclusive that they're probably not shown as much, er, derision and suspicion and what have you that they should be."
Cee states, "I really don't think it has to be any more complex than that."
Iorel claims, "I feel like sometimes players pick those races wanting to be 'different', rather than to be 'difficult'."
Arkenn claims, "That's what I'm seeing too Vlora."
Calanthe states, "So the occasional reminder from an NPC spitting on their boots could help -everyone- remember, oh yes, this is the place these characters fit in IC society."
Iorel states to Edwin, "You are not."
Iorel says to Edwin, "The only 'obvious' halfbreed Charali. 
"
Kinaed states, "Guys, slightly aside, but applicable to this - I had a pboard from someone commenting that there's far too much OOC commentary and reactions to IC play. When I hear 'I had negative OOC reactions to RPing dislike of a savage (purely thematic)' - that bothers me because a person shouldn't get OOC feedback about their RP, particularly not in real time, yadda yadda."
Edwin claims, "Okay then."
Kinaed says, "Just something to keep in mind."
Prisca nods.
Iorel nods.
Giles states to Iorel, "On the flip side, I have treated them like normal people... and the reactions aren't good. It could be argued they shouldn't be available at all."
Cee claims, "Calanthe, I believe there are coded reminders, I sometimes get npc's telling me I'm a stinky savage and stuff "
Calanthe claims to Cee, "I meant that for people playing half blooded characters with the coded Lithmorran base."
Theodora is idle.
Arkenn claims, "I'd have to say, if you want to be a halfbreed character then take the race they are most likely to be associated with by their appearance."
Calanthe says, "As I think that bypasses the racism."
Maura claims to Cee, "Those are fun. Found plenty of typos with those"
Cee pontificates, "Aha, right!"
Azarial asks, "It does seem to happen on guild channels, so maybe we could turn those off and see if that helps? as a test?"
Prisca nods at Arkenn.
Norrig nods at Kinaed.
Edwin wonders to Kinaed, "Here's the thing though. If people -like- the person getting treated like garbage. Are they not then free to give the other person shit for it?"
Cee claims, "I wouldn't mind less osay chatter for sure. But Im' a hardline immersionist that has all channels off when scening."
Arkenn claims, "If you're half farin, half charalin and you're black with dark red hair, you're probably good as a Farin, but if you're light brown with flaming red hair. You're more than likely going to be assumed as a dark charalin"
Kinaed queries to Edwin, "ICly or OOCly?"
Kinaed claims, "ICly, give people shit. OOCly, no."
Edwin states, "Oh I would never encourage someone to get OOC about anything."
Kinaed nods at Edwin.
Arkenn states, "I mean, I kick Edwin's ass ICly for being a half charalin"
Temi claims, "We could set guidelines around half-bloods, but if it's due to people not understanding how things work, that wouldn't help."
Arkenn says, "On the regular"
Edwin says, "Right."
Arkenn says, "OOCly we sit and bullshit"
Edwin says, "Exactly."
Kinaed nods at Temi.
Giles nods.
Iorel nods at Temi.
Cee claims, "I think that's everything discussed on this."
Arkenn states, "He knows I don't hate him as an OOC person."
Kinaed states, "Maybe staff need to take this away and strategize or hold a focus group? I think it's too big to resolve here. We've got more topics and only 10 min left."
Temi nods.
Kinaed muses to Temi, "Add that to Staff Talking Points please?"
Arkenn claims, "You can drop my topic, I lost it a ways back"
Cee claims, "As (I think) the newest savage player, let me know if you need feedback or w/e"
Ivar states, "If you do a focus group, I wouldn't mind of those of us playing savages are part of it."
Temi starts editing a note. (This is an OOC action)
Arkenn states, "And I'm having trouble remembering what it was."
Kinaed states, "Also - guys, I'm sorry, but when things get spammy I can't follow, so I've lost half the convo and will need to reread the log."
Kinaed nods at Ivar.
Temi finishes her note.
Kinaed states to Ivar, "Of course "
Arkenn says, "OR those of us who have played Savages in the past."
Kinaed questions to Arkenn, "Okay, I have you down for the next topic. Would you care to introduce us?"
Arkenn says, "I lost my topic and forgot what it was originally about"
Prisca grins.
Arkenn claims, "I'll write it down in person next time."
Kinaed exclaims, "Oh, well okay. In that case, I have a topic!"
Ivar claims, "Omai"
Ivar states, "This is a first"
Kinaed questions, "We've been doing the OOC Chat for years now, and I think it was a great addition to TI in terms of getting communication going between players and staff. On that, however, the agenda hasn't changed and the format is pretty regular. Does anyone want to add or modify the agenda to improve it?"
Kinaed asks, "Any suggestions to how we can do this better?"
Ivar claims, "Jesus that leadin made me think we were losing the ooc chat"
Edwin says, "Orgies on speed."
Norrig claims, "Honestly, I'd make it monthly. Every week seems like too much mobilisation for too little to report."
Prisca claims, "We should have a dedication section for trading cat pics."
Norrig nods at Edwin.
Kinaed queries, "Oh, no. Just ... um, is the agenda good? Want to add to it?"
Cee says, "It sounds a bit mean, but I think restricting messages in a manner that makes it 1 message each per topic would be really helpful."
Kinaed nods at Cee.
Edwin says, "I'm fine with it being weekly."
Ivar states, "Norrig has a bit of a point on that, actually."
Cee claims, "It makes people type more concisely, and stops spam."
Azarial muses to Prisca, "Want to trade recipes?"
Norrig says to Cee, "That too"
Edwin says, "Or even buweekly."
Kinaed states, "'pick your highest target thing'? I think that's a good suggestion, Cee."
Edwin says, "Biweekly."
Iorel says, "I'd like to see biweekly meetings."
Prisca grins at Azarial.
Iorel states, "Er. Bimonthly*"
Cee states, "Weekly is good, this comes from experience of a mud that has less frequent ooc meets. at least imo."
Iorel asks, "Which is it? *goes to google*"
Ivar queries, "Biweekly that last a bit longer than currently?"
Temi claims, "If we moved less often, I think we'd definitely have to limit what people could bring up"
Cee states, "When have we -ever- ran short of things to talk about after all."
Norrig claims to Temi, "Good point."
Iorel pontificates, "Biweekly, confirmed!"
Edwin claims to Ivar, "Sure, it could run onger. I don't mind it as it is."
Kinaed claims, "I really need it to be weekly, I'm sorry. If it's not weekly, the rhythm in my schedule will break and I won't show up to half of them."
Prisca states, "I'm good with weekly."
Norrig says to Kinaed, "All good luv"
Edwin states to Kinaed, "That's fune too."
Iorel nods.
Prisca ponders.
Ivar claims to Kinaed, "Understandable."
Azarial says, "Some of the tolpics could be hashed out on the forums first, which would cut down ont he bunnytrails during the meeting"
Edwin curses his stoner fingers.
Kinaed nods at Azarial.
Temi trails off, "Though... we could switch to OOC chats alternated with staff chats, if players wanted"
Ivar says, "I do have an idea."
Cee says, "Also, if you give us a list of the player topics at the beginning, then we can pretype responses "
Iorel claims, "I think a problem with the forum, thing, is that there's a sense that a lot of things come up there and are never discussed or heard from again."
Giles states to Cee, "Interesting idea."
Temi questions to Cee, "And pre-give responses? And pre-discuss topics?"
Temi grins.
Prisca nods at Iorel.
Kinaed nods at Iorel.
Temi says, "Because that's what tends to happen."
Kinaed says, "I only read the forums once a month or so."
Cee thwaps Temi
Ivar muses, "How about pre-registering topics through an anonymous board to the staff. That way you can determine if it's best served on the forums as a larger discussion beforehand?"
Cee states, "I've never logged into the forums after browsing them when I first joined."
Cee claims, "Seems to be too slow a method of communication."
Kinaed nods at Ivar.
Calanthe nods at Iorel.
Ivar says to Cee, "You haven't seen some of our explosive posts that rollercoasted over a few days."
Prisca states to Cee, "Depends on the topic. say something people have an opinion on, and you'll get 10 pages in a day"
Iorel claims to Ivar, "That's adding more layers to work -- I don't think Staff need to be filtering conversations as it stands ... Things like Vasily's topic work better for a forum location, but sometimes I think things we expect are small issues prove to be larger ones with player responses."
Kinaed states, "I like that, sort of, but I also think a lot of people show up, scrunch up their eyes and think if they have a topic, then do it at the actual OOC chat. I'd hate to miss out on those 'what are the things on my mind RIGHT NOW' opportunities"
Giles nods at Prisca.
Cee claims, "But the ideal ooc meet for me would be a topic is brought up, everyone dumps their paragraph of thoughts on the matter, and then the admin have a nice collection of well thought out info from the playerbase."
They aren't here.
Iorel nods at Kinaed.
Cee states, "Rather than 'x nods y nods, now I need to scroll up 20 lines' :^)"
Iorel claims to Kinaed, "That, right."
Temi nods in agreement with Kinaed.
Kinaed nods at Cee.
Iorel says to Cee, "I mean, that's just a forum, then, but on-game."
Giles nods at Kinaed.
Cee claims, "It is, but we can discuss the topics brought up much faster than the forum"
Iorel says, "Because we don't have hugely prepared responses."
Cee states, "And come to a conclusion with th players present, which will feel much more satisfying."
Kinaed says, "Do other people have trouble following the flow of the OOC Chat due to how many people are talking at once? I may be receiving more input than most."
Calanthe states, "The format seems fine. I'd like to see more consistent consideration of topics brought up on the forums. I also really appreciate the summaries posted on the in-game OOC boards."
Norrig says, "I do, at times"
Norrig claims, "But I am always doing something else aside from TI"
Giles states to Kinaed, "Honestly, I do."
Norrig says, "Like trying to fix Fallout New Vegas on my PC right now"
Kinaed trails off, "'cause as people have noticed, at times I'm lost just juggling the logistics of who is talking next and make dumb mistakes like ... thinking Cee is Calanthe *blush*"
Cee says, "It's no ss13, I can deal with this level of spam, but can see why many wouldn't."
Prisca nods at Calanthe.
Cee says, "I mean, have you seen us? We look identical."
Ivar claims, "I've been too busy playing with spaceships to be a nuisance."
Iorel says, "I do, but I'm not sure if there's a solution. A lot of times I lose focus during the over-lap of one conversation to the next, and sometimes a few people will have a side conversation or be dorking around OOCly, but being all 'no fun at meeting!' won't actually solve anything."
Kinaed questions to Cee, "I know, right? Why wouldn't I confuse two obvious clones?"
Kinaed nods at Iorel.
Maura states, "I have no issues following the flow of chat, but sometimes chat does move way too fast so by the time I'm done typing my reply, said response is outdated"
Temi states, "I do think it's good for players to let loose a little bit and socialize too, and see others as people."
Calanthe queries, "What about adding a longer social time to meetings?"
Calanthe claims, "Before or after."
Kinaed states, "Well, the only idea that I feel strongly aligned to thus far is asking people to register one and only one topic. It's fine to ask a friend to speak on a 2nd topic for you, but I'd like to spread the love around."
Cee says, "Depressurising and remembering we're all players and not characters is -vital-"
Prisca claims, "We kinda have that before"
Calanthe states, "So we can get out our goofies."
Kinaed nods at Cee.
Ivar states, "Might not hurt to have some kind of ingame coded thing to it. Like a polca that people at the chat can enter their topic into."
Maura claims, "I do like the idea of one and only one topic per player at a chat"
Ivar says, "That we can reference while talking."
Cee says, "And, if you list the topics to be discussed at the beginning like you already do, but include player topics in that list, we can pretype responses and make stuff flow better"
Kinaed says, "The other things - well, I've lost track of the convo again, so I'll have to read the log. "
Giles grins.
Ivar claims, "Then you can just say "Topic number 1""
Ivar says, "Or something of that nature"
Iorel states, "Oh, I have an important question that I'm hoping this meeting can settle."
Kinaed says, "But I'll mention any changes to the OOC Chat format in the next OOC Chat."
Calanthe says, "The end of meetings sometimes feels abrupt and I understand why it happens, but at the same time it feels easier to chat about things the meeting inspired while I'm still in the same room, versus on the OOC channel."
Iorel muses, "If TI:L had to be the Pokemon Card Game or Magic the Gathering, which would you pick?"
Cee states, "MTG"
Kinaed nods at Calanthe.
Ivar says, "Magic."
Iorel declares to Calanthe, "I win!"
Calanthe claims to Iorel, "Darn."
Ivar states, "Then I could spring my trap card."
Ivar states, "Oh wait that's Yugioh"
Ivar claims, "Uh"
Calanthe states, "I can't draw that well."
Iorel claims, "Petition to ban Ivar."
Giles wonders, "I agree with most, but I also want a Pikachu?"
Calanthe claims, "So much for Norrig as Snorlax."
Ivar cackles.
Iorel states, "For confusing MtG and Yu-gi-oh."
Temi asks, "Did we have a request board topic still?"
Ivar states to Giles, "Niamh is Pikachu"
Kinaed claims, "Oh my, yes."
Norrig eyes Calanthe warily.
Cee played Second Sun seven messages ago.
Prisca prepares herself.
Kinaed finishes abruptly, "But we're out of time. Let me dig up the topics - if anyone remembers where they sent them to me (hint hint) please let me know"
Ivar asks of Kinaed, "Think that polca idea might be fairly useful for meeting flow?"
Cee trails off, "Now I'm just fangirling over all our characters as planeswalker cards..."
Giles wonders, "Wait, can I ask a quick thing?"
Cee drools.
Kinaed nods at Giles.
Kinaed claims, "Go for it while I look up the topics I should have had on hand"
Edwin says, "I am entirely too stoned by the end of the meeting to keep up. But I blame that on myself."
Temi queries, "Request note 6?"
Kinaed states, "The first one: I'd like to propse that only the 1GL or 2GL of Guilds should be able to see the bank account information. It seems odd that people who cannot otherwise access or control the funds can know the amounts. Further from what I've witnessed, people can begin to change their IC and sometimes OOC attitudes based on access to this information. To the point it can feel like OOC pressure to make IC decisions to appease feelings about it."
Giles says, "If I throw a shindig in 20 minutes or so, will anyone who might consider showing up for IC reasons show up? Time zones are a pain."
Cee says, "Assuming it's not too northsidey, of course."
Iorel states, "I agree (re: Guild Banks). But also if a GL is abusing funds, there should potentially be some way for others to hear about that."
Maura claims, "Has always found that weird"
Kinaed says, "Please respond to Giles first "
Prisca nods in agreement with Iorel.
Edwin claims, "I will go. But I'm always around."
Prisca states, "I may or may not make it, kinda drowsy"
Kinaed states to Giles, "Immediately after the OOC Chat tends to be a great time for events."
Norrig nods at Giles.
Kinaed claims, "Okay, on guild bank accounts."
Cee says, "I agree with the proposition, purely from a point of view that ICly there's no way anyone but the gl's would be accessing that info anyway."
Temi states, "I do think having some accountability to your guild about how much funds you have is totally IC, and I don't think it has to be OOC knowledge and an IC secret."
Norrig trails off, "I approve that normal non GL members shouldn't have access to view guild funds... then again maybe RPA can help peek at that, or throw a general alert when there's, say, less than 3000s left"
Cee muses, "If you want to know the info, just go and ask the gl yunno?"
Iorel claims, "I've never felt meaningful pressure about knowing guild bank accounts."
Kinaed questions, "Can I put this on the forums with a poll?"
Prisca nods at Kinaed.
Vlora states, "It's always fun to know when you have more money than the guild you work for. "
Kinaed says, "Thanks, I'll do that."
Iorel states to Norrig, "Or make GLs log an IC reason any time they withdraw funds or pay a non-guild members."
Prisca grins at Vlora.
Arkenn pontificates, "Yea! That!"
Arkenn says, "I forgot about that"
Iorel states to Norrig, "So that, if a Guild Member suspects foul play, something is on record."
Norrig states to Iorel, "Not bad"
Giles states, "Alright, everyone avoid the Queen's for 20 minutes after the meeting, because I have to buy stuff! And yes to Iorel."
Arkenn asks, "If you're not a GL, you shouldn't be able to see whats in your guild bank account, I can't see my boss's bank account for work IRL, why can I see it in game?"
Kinaed claims, "The second topic: something that occurs that is that wheelbox IMHO is having concerns or feedback othe characters that could likely be brought up and handled via RP/mail as a roleplay situation and handled IC, coming up instead via OOC means like channels, the forums, meetings, etc. Especially when the person in question is not logged in to answer the question(s). As someone who has had this happen more than a fair share, it is infinately frustrating, as it takes away what could be RP (conflict or not) and instead makes you defend IC choices in the OOC sphere."
Arkenn says, "Meant to mention that XD"
Norrig asks, "Wheelbox?"
Arkenn states, "Same area of thought"
Iorel states, "I think a problem with the 'You shouldn't be able to see the account!' is that each guild is assumed to have 'Accountant' vNPCs that would help keep an eye on things."
Kinaed trails off, "I don't know. What I think the person is trying to say (and by the way, this isn't the person who commented in a pboard to me about all of the OOC chatter ABOUT IC stuff)..."
Norrig says to Kinaed, "I have no idea what I just read either"
Kinaed says, "So that's kind of two people ... is a request for people to do things ICly, not discuss OOCly."
Prisca states, "Not too sure there"
Norrig states to Kinaed, "Alright."
Cee claims, "I don't think I've witnessed anyone taking offence like this yet, so I'm afraid I have no feedback."
Kinaed claims, "So "I don't like X" - react ICly to it, not OOCly."
Azarial states, "I see quite a bit on guild channels that could/should be handled icly."
Kinaed nods at Azarial.
Maura shrugs as they haven't noticed such, but doesn't really engage oocly much anymore
Cee says, "Isn't that a given? O.o"
Azarial says to Cee, "You'd be surprised."
Cee nods sadly.
Azarial says, "Hence suggesting turning them off to see if hat helps things out."
Giles states, "I don't belong to a guild, but I'm assuming Az is 100 percent correct."
Kinaed claims, "I think Staff might comment, as gently as we can, when we see people arranging things or talking about things on guild channels that should be an IC convo to start nudging people towards that."
Arkenn claims, "I think we had someone bring up writing a negative recommend for someone the other day for RPing slowly... Not sure how to handle stuff like that."
Kinaed nods at Giles.
Cee queries, "We have an ooc channel anyways. Why's there guild ooc channels too?"
Kinaed states, "It's legacy."
Azarial claims, "It;s mostly commentary on rp, or questions/answers that would be better served icly, that I see."
Azarial shrugs eloquently with more tail than shoulders.
Arkenn states, "Because sometimes asking someone for advice on something to help you design soemthing or whatnot in a guild channel"
Maura trails off, "Well several guild channels receive alerts such as order, reeves, physicians..."
Iorel says, "I recall, as Order GL, having some issues with some players complaining about how their character was treated -- up to insulting other Guild Members. But if that commentary wasn't happening on Guild Channels, it would happen somewhere."
Arkenn says, "Is better than spamming OOC"
Cee claims, "Ah, I see."
Azarial states, "They can still receive alerts, just not be availabel for playter use"
Kinaed muses, "Shouldn't complaints about that be resolved ICly though?"
Cee questions, "Even if it is resolved icly, I imagine it's just the player venting to calm down, no?"
Vlora claims, "I would hate to see guild channels be removed, I don't think that would improve anything. I like the community feel we as a guild get from having a few bants on ODT."
Theodora has left the game.
Iorel states, "Though I also know that, sometimes, people assume certain reactions to their players are just based in OOC shenanigans. You don't always know how other people are talking about your character ICly."
Maura says, "I'm frankly against the removal of guildchannels, as it just seems like an unneccessary removal and a slippery slope to those who push for the removal of all ooc channels"
Arkenn claims, "I'm in favor of the guild channels staying as they are. Though if they start discussing IC things, maybe give them a reminder about it."
Kinaed claims, "I don't think the player asking people to post ICly was asking for the removal of guild channels, for the record."
Calanthe states, "I am reluctant to suggest this but considering what I feel is the current game culture, maybe we could add something like an anonymous guildchannel graphic command."
Cee stands up.
Cee starts to move towards the north and west.
Arkenn states, "When I played a mage, we had the Mage channel which is specifically for mage questions and answers. Discussion is shot down immediately."
Iorel says, "But, yes, removing guildchannels is just the same discussion about removing tells and stuff. Maybe it'd help immersion, some, but it'd hurt the community aspect."
Cee gets a rotten tomato, oozing with foul juices and black mold.
Kinaed nods at Arkenn.
Giles questions, "If people are discussing important IC stuff on guild chans, shouldn't they just be slapped with a punishment of sorts?"
Yeto states, "Ought to just go after offenders and not do umbrella punishment again"
Iorel nods at Yeto.
Calanthe states, "Just something that lets you alert the channel that they're doing something inappropriate, without taking flak for speaking out."
Kinaed nods at Calanthe.
Cee wonders, "Perhaps we need an 'anonymous bitching' channel for people to calm down in, rather than in guild channels?"
Kinaed claims, "Okay, we can implement something like that."
Arkenn states, "Maybe remind people who are discussing IC things that it would be IC/OOC to not do that ICly"
Iorel claims, "That's called Discord or IMs, Cee."
Iorel says, "=P"
Maura agrees with Yeto "Seems umbrella punishments are becoming the goto norm... personal responsibility being thrown out the windows."
Kinaed states, "I think it's a bit less healthy on IMs or Discord."
Cee claims, "Troo."
Temi queries, "How about an anonymous bitching channel where you can see your own echoed and nobody else ever sees it?"
Temi grins.
Azarial claims, "It gets very wearing to have to keep doing it person by person."
Arkenn claims, "I mean... I prefer personal punishments."
Azarial states, "Year after year."
Arkenn claims, "If 'you' mess up, 'you' get punished for it."
Iorel laughs at Temi.
Giles states to Azarial, "I can see that."
A Comfortable Room
[Perfect]
A plethora of gaily coloured silk pillows with fringes and tassels
completely conceal the floor. A large pillow in the corner stands out, a
brooding black mass of velvet and fringeless. Screens of nature scenes
painted with the spare strokes of a brush that hint at and outline the
subjects, leaving much to the imagination. Behind the screens, silk
curtains and sheets painted with bright patterns hide the walls, pulled
back only around the windows that pierce the southern and western walls to
look out over a lush garden filled with an untamed riot of plants and
trees.
[ Exits: down ] [ Air exits: none ]
A cask of ale rests here. (western edge)
( 14)The Warrant Update Spec rests here. (southern edge)
Vlora is here.[P]
Arkenn is here.
Maura is here.
Prisca is here.
Giles is here.[P]
Ivar is here.
Yeto is here.
Cee is here.
Calanthe is here.
Edwin is here.
Vasily is here.
Norrig is here.
Temi is here.
Azarial is here.[P]
Kinaed is here.
Kinaed says, "I'm not sure I follow how personal accountability is being thrown out the door by allowing players to anonymously point out when they think people are doing/saying things on a channel that they ought not to. "
Iorel says, "Oh, no, I definitely like that idea."
Kinaed says, "I think it is an issue that people aren't comfortable telling one another to their faces when they think someone's out of line."
Azarial states, "That was in response to turing them off alltogether"
Kinaed states, "Ahh."
Prisca states to Kinaed, "I think they were referring to guild channels being removed due to abuse by some"
Maura nods
Temi states, "Unfortunately, staff would have to punish those individuals, and then we get all the flak for being meanie-heads. Or we have to wait for Kin to handle it and waste the time she can be around"
Kinaed says, "Well, here's a thing - when something is under discussion, that's not a done deal, so making statements about how things are going is a bit premature."
Temi says, "It wouldn't be a punishment so much as a stress reducer"
Yeto wonders, "Taking flak for what?"
Yeto queries, "Punishing somebody who breaks a rule?"
Azarial states, "For doing staff stuff, like actually enforcing policy."
Temi says, "For punishing people, yes."
Azarial claims, "You would not believe the crap that gets flung our direction for that."
Yeto claims, "I mean that's sort of the name of the Staff game"
Temi states, "There's a lot of the staff game and I don't want to sign up to step up in that area."
Prisca wonders, "Players can be silenced from using a channel, yes?"
Azarial says, "My ignore list is a mile long--I dont; want to hear about how you are a good christian and this or that should not have happened to you. you screwed up, you got slapped down, grow a pair and suck it up."
Iorel states, "I hate to be the jerk-ball again, however .. When I was Order GL, I tried to fulfill the role of moderator of the Guild Channel. ODT could get peachy sometimes with playful back-and-forth, which is one of the goals of the channel -- Orderites can be stressful, adhering to strict codes ICly that other Guilds aren't held to. But when a specific player was discussing IC things and I went to Staff with the hopes of having that player punished, I was told to 'handle it ourselves'. And, to be clear, this was a player talking shit about specific players, being asked to stop, and not stopping."
Arkenn claims, "If I break a rule, and i'm punished for it. I have lost my right to object to my punishment as the person who broke the rule."
Kinaed says, "The reason I'm the policy staff is because none of the other staff like policy."
Arkenn states, "That's how the world works in general."
Prisca states, "Maybe do a 5 minute silence or something like that when staff sees IC stuff being talked about"
Azarial states, "And i'm not allowed to met out punishments."
Azarial shrugs eloquently with more tail than shoulders.
Temi states, "Or maybe people could stop doing inappropriate stuff on channels, so we don't have to waste our time and spoons on them."
Azarial nods at Temi.
Iorel states, "Gotta run to get frozen yogurt, now! I'll leave the log running and get it posted when I return."
You are now in (AFK) mode.
Azarial states, "...if you are gone long enough, you go to the idle room and miss out."
Maura muses to Kinaed, "So have you considered finding another person to handle policy, making it clear in the posting that they are likely to receive flak, and should be prepared for such?"
Giles also nods at Temi.
Yeto says, "Shit if that worked we wouldn't need any rules"
Kinaed states, "I think that part about 'police it yourself' is a bit misrepresented. The case brought to staff was about a specific player, and the problem is that the player who brought the case to staff engaged in the same behavior they were calling the other player out for."
Iorel declares, "We're 20 minutes over time already, so hopefully I won't miss anything important!"
Prisca says to Azarial, "Should hopefully be over before idle hits, but I can post the end if it happens."
Azarial nods.
Kinaed says to Maura, "Nope, the other reason is that history decrees that if another staff handles policy, they come to me as Implementor anyway, anytime they disagree."
Temi says, "I totally approve of targeting the issues as finely as possible, but sometimes when it becomes too large of a burden, the large-targeted solution is the better one"
Giles states to Kinaed, "Nine times out of ten, I'm sure."
Temi states, "I don't believe it's gotten to that state yet, but it's not a punishment for players, if we did remove it. It's to maintain the atmosphere in a scalable way"
Kinaed states, "So then I'm caught between them and my own staff, and I won't do that. I've agreed, pointedly, to shovel the shit so the other staff don't have to. And I'm fine with it, except when it's ridiculously stressful, but that's life. It's been 15 years, I'm an old hand at it."
Kinaed says, "Okay, we're well over time. I'll have a look at the logs to see what I missed later. "
Kinaed claims, "But we should probably wrap this one up."
Cee waves.
Cee claims, "Beam me back scotty."
Calanthe exclaims, "Thank you for hosting the meeting!"
Kinaed says, "Thank you all for attending, and sharing your thoughts and opinions. "
Maura shrugs to Kinaed "Likely have more to say on that particular topic, but will save it for another time."
Prisca waves.
Kinaed says, "Same time next week "
Azarial peers about intently, then chases her tails once, twice, thrice--she's gone! [OOC]
Kinaed states to Maura, "Happy to disucss in tells after if you like"