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Log session starting at 18:05:07 on Saturday, 16 March 2024.
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Maeve wonders, "Anyone keen to be scribe this week?"

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say scribe time?

InvestSouthside queries, "Scribe time?"

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Maeve nods at InvestSouthside.

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Temi asks, "Is that a volunteering?"

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Temi grins.

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say yeah

InvestSouthside claims, "Yeah"

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Otbert says, "InvestSouthscribe."

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Maeve declares to InvestSouthside, "Thank you!"

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Capitalism claims, "Hi Maeve. Welcome welcome."

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Maeve has awarded you 2 QPs: Scribe

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Maeve says to Capitalism, "Thanks "

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Maeve says, "Announcements."

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Maeve muses, "I don't have anything. Anyone else have anything? PSAs or Events coming to you?"

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Maeve wonders, "Anyone with a topic to register?"

VivaLaVictoria pontificates, "I don't have anything, I just wanted to thank Temi for all that
building!"

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Otbert claims, "US and Rest of World are 1 hour displaced due to US shifting to DST and rest only
following on the 31st, mind your event times if you have any."

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Maeve exclaims to Otbert, "Oh, that's a good one!"

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Temi nods in agreement.

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Temi says, "Easy to forget when all our computers just do it for us, until things start conflicting"

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Maeve says, "Okay, let's kick off staff topics or updates."

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Maeve declares, "No topics on my mind, but last week I had to relearn how to do some things (which
is why some requests are a bit slow, sorry about that but we appreciate everyone's patience), and I
did some help file updates in line with last week's OOC discussion. Processed the request queue
(where recommends and the like come) most days this week. Thank you for recommending your peers!"

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Maeve muses, "That's me, so... Temi, what did you do?"

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Temi says, "Whew, well."

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Temi claims, "I did the backlog of evictions, so there's all sorts of new houses added to the real
estate boards, and new possibilities to fill up the auction house - still randomized so we don't get
everything at once."

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Maeve nods at Temi.

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Temi claims, "And I've deleted some ones we don't think will sell so we're back up to a healthy
level of phome zone rooms left."

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Meiari states, "Oh it's randomized? Cool - I was wondering about that."

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Otbert claims, "I think the echo in the actual auction house says it's ICly randomized but OOCly
static? I was there and it was confusing."

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Temi states, "I'm still going through and making sure there's not unattached rooms that have been
forgotten, though."

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Capitalism wonders, "When it comes to old shops as well, have those evictions been processed at all
yet?"

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PositronicJune says, "It says that for the quest shops I believe. but not the shop that sells items
from evicted houses and such for silver"

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Temi says, "Ah, the QP shops have those messagings, and they are in teh auction house"

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Temi nods at Capitalism.

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Capitalism claims, "Fun times"

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Temi states, "But yeah, the one that has the evicted house items will swap out about 10 new items a
week"

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Temi nods at Maeve.

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Capitalism trails off, "I remember talking to Ghed about one in October whose player hadn't logged
in since September and should be processed 'soon' and December rolled out... they still weren't
around but the shop wasn't for sale"

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Maeve nods at Capitalism.

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Maeve claims, "It's easy to get behind, and things can back up."

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Maeve exclaims to Eurus, "Your turn!"

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Eurus says, "I tried to help out Temi and Maeve a bit with some building and request etc. Also spent
some time starting on updating role stuff, with the goal of being more usable/user friendly, along
with a couple unrelated bugs and projects."

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Maeve states, "I think that's everything for staff updates. "

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Maeve queries, "We didn't get any player topics, so how was the game for you last week?"

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say was weird when we went hunting there was no animals otherwise pretty relaxed week

VivaLaVictoria declares, "Super fun!"

InvestSouthside states, "Was weird when we went hunting there was no animals otherwise pretty
relaxed week"

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Maeve smiles at VivaLaVictoria.

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Maeve nods at InvestSouthside.

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Capitalism claims, "I am going home on Tuesday so my RP week will start picking up on Wednesday."

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Maeve wonders, "I wonder why there were no animals... other hunters perhaps?"

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Maeve declares to Capitalism, "Nice!"

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Temi nods in agreement.

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Temi claims, "That's my guess"

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Otbert says, "Blame mages by default."

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Capitalism says, "It's probably the Order's fault."

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Maeve asks, "It's not fashionable to blame everything on Capitalism? "

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say i blame capitalism yeah

InvestSouthside states, "I blame capitalism yeah"

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Otbert trails off, "Maybe it's all those deer musk glands..."

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Valora trails off, "I go out pretty regularly but noticed there's been a down tick in animals
especially deer and birds... more wolves and dogs than anything else..."

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Maeve trails off to Otbert, "Attracts the hunters, yeah..."

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Meiari states, "While I'd agree with blaming the order: she brings me furs so when she's getting
jipped I'm getting jipped"

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Maeve has transferred Souless. [OOC]

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Sparkles says, "Seems like a number of folks have a bit of RL at the moment, but have seen some
public scenes flock some folks together this week."

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Capitalism states, "It is very fashionable to blame Capitalism... However only need to remember one
thing."

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Temi gives a set of polished wooden beads branded with little chalices to Souless.

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Capitalism always wins in the end.

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Maeve nods at Sparkles.

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Maeve chuckles.

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Souless queries, "Who invited Capitalism?"

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Maeve claims, "Er, I think that was me."

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Maeve scuffs.

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Souless gags.

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Capitalism claims, "That's where you're mistaken... I've always been here... at least since 2016."

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Capitalism coughs.

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say you gotta chose a side maeve you cant just being like boo capitalism then invite them back geez

InvestSouthside says, "You gotta chose a side maeve you cant just being like boo capitalism then
invite them back geez"

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Temi says to InvestSouthside, "Y'know, apparently she can."

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Temi grins.

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Sparkles claims, "I have a question actually about the new helpfile updates, if that's okay to go
back to."

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Jiraiya coughs in 2000.

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Maeve claims, "It does seem to be working for me."

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Souless trails off, "I heard Capitalism was a Mage..."

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Maeve states, "Besides this form of capitalism is my favorite."

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Maeve winks at Capitalism.

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PositronicJune claims, "I joined in 2023, y'all are old"

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PositronicJune states, "You especially Jiraiya"

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Temi states, "I do owe an update for help liquidate still."

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Maeve has transferred Aldrich. [OOC]

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Temi gives a set of polished wooden beads branded with little chalices to Aldrich.

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Capitalism says, "Capitalism has been a mage in the past. The most recent incarnation is still
waiting to be seen."

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Valora asks, "The god eater?"

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Souless claims, "Burn Capitalism for witchcraft."

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Maeve nods at Temi.

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Aldrich claims, "God Devourer thank you.]"

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say i think sparkles had something to say and we are very waylaid

InvestSouthside claims, "I think sparkles had something to say and we are very waylaid"

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Valora states, "Lol based"

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Maeve says, "Oh, sorry Sparkles."

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ThatBard queries, "What about the helpfiles Sparkles?"

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Capitalism nods to Maeve, "I like this incarnation of Capitalism the most too... I could be biased
though."

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PositronicJune has returned from AFK.

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Maeve states, "The help files updated were: RP Avoidance, Activity, and Wrap Up"

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Maeve says, "We were trying to implement the decisions from OOC Chat the week prior."

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Sparkles muses, "Oh it's okay, however, I know that for a temporary period of time following some
... IC goings on, the wrap up policies/helpfiles in question were a touch more complex. There were a
limited number of test cases involving that set of more complex rules. Given the change over again,
should folks involved in those situations reach out?"

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Maeve says, "Yes please."

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PositronicJune says, "Personally I was wondering what changed in the helpfiles"

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Sparkles nods.

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HIEROPHANT asks, "Oh, is the minigame gone now? D:"

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Maeve says, "I think we did go for a simplification, especially over spending QP to kill, capture,
or rob someone."

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Temi nods at HIEROPHANT.

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Temi states, "We'll have the possibility of contested liquidations instead of contested absentia
wrap-ups"

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PositronicJune muses, "The minigame in 'help captivity'?"

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Maeve states to PositronicJune, "We removed a 10 QP spend to kill, capture, or rob inactive players,
and we stated that if people idle out of "strong RP" then people can request a wrap up, including a
return of items, but need evidence of the RP in their cnotes. If a player idles out of RP and staff
wrap them up, death XP is forfeit."

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Maeve states, "No, I think that remains. We didn't touch anything in HELP CAPTIVITY, and captives
still have protections around receiving RP if they go inactive."

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Maeve claims, "Because they're in a different position than people who can RP freely."

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Temi nods in agreement.

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PositronicJune claims, "Ahh"

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HIEROPHANT says, "Ah, well, as long as responding to IC consequences brought on by IC action isn't
to hide from them by logging out for long periods of time, it's fine either way"

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Temi states, "Absolutely. We've tried to lean further in the direction of rewarding people for
either wrapping up their RP on grid or at least giving some closure, rather than disappearing"

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Maeve says, "Theoretically, someone can just go inactive, but if you have proof of IC action that
someone is avoiding, then Staff can wrapup."

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Maeve nods at Temi.

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Temi says, "So if you want control over what happens to your character, definitely make sure to
handle that proactively."

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HIEROPHANT asks, "Is there still a 6-month wait time on doing that, or is that different now?"

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Maeve says, "I think there's still a weakness in the system that staff won't just know who those
people are, but we've suggested writing a Request Board and CCing important people who were involved
to provide supporting evidence."

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Maeve says, "So players still need to alert staff if a wrap up is required."

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Maeve claims, "4 OOC weeks."

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HIEROPHANT says, "Whew, that's pretty short, okay"

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Maeve says, "It can be extended if a player alerts staff that they're away."

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Temi claims, "If you'll be gone longer, just let staff know, yeah."

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Maeve says, "But general consensus is that we usually know in 4 OOC weeks if someone is coming
back."

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HIEROPHANT says, "That system was intended to resolve that in a manner made equitable or "fair" by
assigning numerical weights to different factors, but it was imperfect and was only to my knowledge
used one time (and failed) so no big loss I suppose"

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Maeve nods at HIEROPHANT.

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Temi claims, "Yeah, we decided that we didn't need to be as fair to people that abandoned their RP
partners"

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Maeve nods at Temi.

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HIEROPHANT says, "Based"

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HIEROPHANT wonders, "This puts it back on staff judgment, so maybe consider keeping the list of
modifiers handy, if only to aid in that judgment?"

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Maeve nods at HIEROPHANT.

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HIEROPHANT says, "Sneaky people should probably have a sneaker sort of resolution, wrapping up mages
or Knights or Reeves or other combat-capable people should probably injure the party wrapping them
up, that sort of thing"

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Maeve states, "I don't think the judgment is necessarily the problem, I think it's not bringing
staff in when people are feeling dissatisfied, and staff not knowing whether the pbase desires us to
take action or not."

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Maeve nods at HIEROPHANT.

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Temi claims, "We will have rolls for contested liquidations, if a person wants to liquidate but
others want to catch them or something"

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HIEROPHANT states, "Making it clear that AFKing out of responsibility isn't acceptable from the get
-go and communicating staff willingness to help out with it is fantastic "

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Maeve says, "We defined wrap up as an attempt to provide 'story closure', so it should fit the RP
and just tell people 'what happened'."

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Maeve says, "And it comes with an XP penalty for failing to uphold your side of RP."

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Temi claims, "But if you're hunting someone, definitely make sure that's cnoted proactively. We'll
want to see evidence of that sort of thing before they have disappeared."

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Maeve nods at Temi.

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Maeve states, "I'd also like some evidence that the person in question is avoiding."

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Maeve claims, "Like, I can hunt someone but have literally no reason that other person knows they're
being hunted."

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HIEROPHANT claims, "That part can be hard to prove, since it's proving a negative"

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Maeve says, "But I'll be more condemning of someone who is clearly trying to avoid consequences for
their IC actions"

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Maeve nods at HIEROPHANT.

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Maeve states, "I think most cases are pretty obvious, esp if the cnotes have mroe than one party
involved and the like."

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Aldrich questions, "Is it wrong to feel lost in all of this?"

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Maeve says, "I'm just saying - we will take the relative 'strength' of the argument into
consideration."

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Otbert claims, "There's some rough ones I can think of where it's hard to tell if something is an IC
avoid or OOC avoid."

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Otbert questions, "Forge a letter from a close friend, put it in a package with a tasty
treat/cake/whatever, with a bit of Sea Rover's Bite in it. Do thery avoid eating it because they
ICly sniffed it out or do they OOCly avoid it out of paranoia?"

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Maeve says to Aldrich, "Nah, it's not a moral thing. You can read HELP RP AVOIDANCE, HELP ACTIVITY,
and HELP WRAP UP in your own time."

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Maeve states, "If anyone has any feedback on how we've set it up, we're happy to hear it. We made
the changes processing the discussion from OOC Chat last week where we raised it because some
players had privately raised concerns about RP Avoidance via inactivity."

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Otbert claims, "You'd need the potential avoider to cnote it to know its IC on their part, but are
you gonna punish them for not Cnoting by assuming it was OOC then? Also not great."

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Maeve claims, "The avoider doesn't need cnotes, the person raising the wrap up request needs them."

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Otbert says, "The avoider's cnote is the only one that could prove the case in this one, though."

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Otbert states, "It's a deduction."

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Temi says, "We don't need proof, just reasonable evidence to assume it"

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Maeve states, "We don't need definitive proof, we need something that provides us enough sense that
the person is RP avoidant."

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Maeve nods at Temi.

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Eurus states, "As Maeve also sort of touched on, 9/10 of the situations this helpfile applies to are
blatantly obvious instances where little deductions need to be had beyond very public rage quits
etc"

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Maeve wonders, "So say I disappear, and Temi goes to staff saying "Hey, I think Maeve left TI
because I was hunting her. See my cnotes where I've been investigating her house, etc?""

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Maeve nods at Eurus.

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PositronicJune claims, "I love how staff use the names of staff in examples"

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Maeve states, "I don't want to think Temi is taking advantage of my just being inactive because she
doesn't like me or thinks my character is in her way."

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Maeve smiles at PositronicJune.

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Maeve says, "So cnotes are probably the best way to provide evidence"

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Souless claims, "It's better than using actual examples and airing dirty laundry lol."

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Temi grins at Souless.

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Otbert states, "I still believe the rumor those OOC Chat Items were store-bought."

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HIEROPHANT claims, "Yeah, or really obvious things like "This dude killed my wife, I'm gonna go get
him" and then dude in question just logs off one day. The wrapper has to have cnoted motivations for
whatever they're doing"

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Jiraiya is idle.

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Maeve claims, "But we'd probably take Temi writing a Request Post, ccing the person's GL or other
parties involved and saying "Hey, Maeve disappeared. I was hunting her. Anyone have anything to add?
Check cnote 124.""

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PositronicJune claims, "Naturally, I'd assume the alternative would be random names. Alice and Bob,
Foo and Bar"

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VivaLaVictoria stops using a set of polished wooden beads branded with little chalices.

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Souless states, "The benefit is that those cnotes are super easy to write."
Maeve nods at HIEROPHANT.

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Maeve says, "I have cat-on-keyboard disease."

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Maeve says, "Typing ability hampered."

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Temi says to Maeve, "Terminal."

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Maeve nods at Temi.

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Otbert claims, "Try a decoy keyboard."

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Maeve claims to Otbert, "Too broke."

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HIEROPHANT asks, "It's for tying off RP threads left dangling, yeah? So it should be fine "

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Maeve nods at HIEROPHANT.

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HIEROPHANT says, "Doesn't have to be lethal or whatever either, from what I've read here"

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Temi nods.

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Maeve nods at HIEROPHANT.

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HIEROPHANT claims, "Awesome"

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Temi says, "Can definitely wrap them up to go live in Tubor or whatever, if that's appropriate to
your RP and ensure they don't come surprise back at you when that would cause problems"

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Maeve states, "We'd work up a story close with the people requesting a wrap up, especially spouses
and relatives."

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PositronicJune says to Maeve, "Cute"

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Maeve wonders, "Any other questions or suggestions?"

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HIEROPHANT states to Temi, "Honestly, that situation is far more common than anything murder-y, at
least for me"

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Otbert says, "Wrap ups sponsored by the Tubor Tourism Board."

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Temi nods at HIEROPHANT.

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say jade arrow throwback?

InvestSouthside asks, "Jade arrow throwback?"

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Maeve claims, "Oh, it's worth noting - we won't refuse XP return in cases that aren't RP Avoidance."

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Souless claims, "We've got marriage."

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PositronicJune states, "Characters being deleted in MUDs and just going somewhere else in the world
but ICly unable to ever come back is weird, but what can you do"

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Sparkles is idle.
Meiari is idle.

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Temi claims, "Uncontested wrap-ups are probably the most common. Some spouse has disappeared and
people just want to move on."

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Maeve states, "So if you wrap up your Spouse and send them to Tubor, we'd give them back their XP."

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Sparkles is no longer idle.

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Sparkles has returned from AFK.

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Maeve nods at Temi.

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Maeve states, "Loss of Death XP is explicitly for people we believe are just ducking out to avoid RP
they don't like."

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Meiari is no longer idle.
Meiari has returned from AFK.

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Maeve says, "So we reserve the possibility of wrap up, but returning XP if it's not clearly that
kind of case."

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Maeve muses, "What else would anyone like to talk about?"

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Maeve states, "We have 15 minutes, or I can wrap up the OOC Chat "

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Maeve claims, "Okay, we'll wrap up early today so staff can continue meeting."

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Sparkles waves.

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Maeve finishes abruptly, "Thank you for attending today everyone - if you have any shameless plugs,
they go here:"

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wave
InvestSouthside waves.

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VivaLaVictoria exclaims, "Thanks for your hard work!"

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Maeve pontificates, "Thank you for playing. It makes it worthwhile for us We love your stories!"

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Temi nods in agreement.

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PositronicJune declaims, "Thanks for being cool!"

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Maeve smiles warmly.

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Sparkles claims, "I've heard folks might be planning some upcoming stuff, don't forget to write
boards and let folks know about times. "

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Souless declaims, "Smell ya later!"

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Maeve nods at Sparkles.

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Maeve declares, "Rumors and recommends - messages, and feel free to Request Board IC Event posts
too!"

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Souless boos Capitalism.

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Maeve waves.

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