Log of OOC Meeting 09/04/2016

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Kinaed has awarded you 2 QPs: Scribe

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Kinaed has transferred Margaux. [OOC]

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Kinaed muses, "Today's Agenda is:

- Staff Updates
- Player Heartbeat
- Player Topics

Is there anything anyone would like to add to the agenda to make certain we discuss it today?"

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Axton claims, "Last time someone mentioned how you do that, but I missed it. The scribe thing."

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Elzenn gives a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm to Margaux.

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Kinaed says to Axton, "I have an alias that has the sentence recorded. HELP ALIAS. "

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help alias
Helpfile for Alias

Class: Command
Syntax: alias
alias [word]
alias [word] [substitution]
unalias [word]

The alias command allows limited shortening of command names. At this
time, aliases cannot call other aliases, and cannot generate more than one
command. Alias by itself lists your current aliases, Alias [word] lists
the alias with that name (if such exist), and alias with both a word and
an argument produces a new alias. You cannot alias either alias or
unalias to a new command. Examples of use:

alias gc get all corpse --> typing gc will equal typing 'get all corpse'
alias ff cast 'fireball' --> ff orc will equal 'cast 'fireball' orc'

Only the first word on the line will be substituted at this time.

It is possible to alias stacked commands (see HELP MULTICOMMAND), such
as: alias cloak cloak || swap
alias decloak cloak || swap


You can not access an alias if it is used as the second or higher command
in a multicommand.

(Subject area: general Last modified: Wed Jul 10 17:49:32 2013)


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Vicannia says, "I have like three small topics to bring up"

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Kinaed says to Vicannia, "Noted. Please type them up and I'll call on you to introduce your topics during Player Topics."

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Kinaed muses, "Anyone else?"

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Kinaed says, "Okay, I'll take the long silence as a go for me to kick off with Staff Updates."

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Kinaed states, "Last week, I worked with our host to resolve the memory issue that was crashing us. Then I came to you guys and asked you to all file your mail into ledgers, and get rid of any unused custom string objects lying around. As a result of your efforts, we've reduced our memory footprint by 20MB and our host has confirmed an application of about 100MB additional RAM to our account."

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Kinaed says, "Following on that, we've added some help files - Takta and I worked together to get HELP WAX BALLS into the game."

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help wax balls
Helpfile for Wax balls

Wax balls are a Lithmorran tradition that has spread far and wide throughout
the Five Duchies. Small, hollow balls of wax, they contain a secretive
mixture of fragrant herbs and other esoteric ingredients devised by the Holy
Order. Each one is a work of art, carved with a lacey, flowing pattern of
swirling water that only a master carver can achieve.

The Rhyme of Portents claims that "Wax balls ward off evil tidings," and
indeed, most Litmorrans believe this to be true. Members of the faith
purchase these expensive balls both to ward off the "evil eye" and some even
eat them if they feel they've suffered a hex. It's not uncommon to pass
Lithmorran homes with them hanging in the windows.

Rumors in more critical circles claim that all wax balls do is line the
church's coffers - the balls are expensive, and it's rare for common members
of the congression to afford them, though some freemen inherit them as family
heirlooms.

(Subject area: lithmorran Last modified: Fri Apr 8 02:00:02 2016)


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say Oh, cool!

Raymond declaims, "Oh, cool!"
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Blake says, "You're not even joking, I thought that was some inside thing I didn't know about."

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Kinaed states, "I think I had one policy case. I love it when everyone is playing well together, so thank you."

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Blake tries to pull his mind out of the gutter.

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Vicannia begins to move south.

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Vicannia slows to a halt.

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Vicannia muses, "So will wax balls be something that won't be given upon creation anymore?"

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Kinaed says, "I think that's everything I did."

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Kinaed states to Vicannia, "Apparently they were removed from chargen ages ago."

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Kinaed claims to Vicannia, "I never noticed."

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Vicannia trails off, "Weird... "

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Kinaed says to Temi, "You're up."

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Temi states, "Oh, not a whole lot."

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Vicannia states, "Same here. I could have sworn this character got it, and she was created in febuary"

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Temi says, "A little bit of nagging Kin to review the Vavardi helpfiles"

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Temi claims, "And a little bit of working on the Charali Colony plot."

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Kinaed states to Temi, "Oh yeah, I'll do that today. Keep nagging until I've resolved it."

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Temi nags Kinaed.

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Temi states, "And that's it for me as far as I remember."

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Kinaed says to Azarial, "You're up."

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Azarial says, "I've been working diligently on changing how our memory is allocated and used, which appears to have further reduced ram usage. it is also freeing what it dones;t use properly, giving it bak to the server and reducing our footprint."

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Kinaed nods at Azarial.

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Azarial states, "The next major step would be the statics mod."

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Kinaed nods at Azarial.

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Azarial states, "As a side effect, some of the odd little string issues are more than likely going to flare up into full fledged crashes."

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Kinaed trails off, "Also some minor things - notes search <string> has gotten a tiny facelift..."

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Azarial says, "Do not access the free list, for that is bad style and in bad taste. <_+<"

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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "Did I miss OOC chat?"

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[OOC] MurrPuffs: "Ongoing"

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[OOC] Temi: "We're just getting started"

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[OOC] Kinky: "Nope. Shall I trans you?"

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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "Yes!"

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Kinaed has transferred Leofrick. [OOC]

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Kinaed claims to Azarial, "Thanks "

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Kinaed declaims to Takta, "You're up!"

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Takta trails off, "Okay, so..."

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Elzenn gives a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm to Leofrick.

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Takta states, "I did some requests, did some typos, and other such minor tasks. I can't remember a lot of that right now because this week has been crazy. Next week is also crazy."

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Takta says, "But summer is approaching and in summer Takta does lots of things. So stay tuned."

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Kinaed beams.

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Elzenn says, "I have been very old hat, these days, mostly trying to keep up with board requests and getting back into the White Flame groove. You may have noticed (or not!) some ominous placards hanging about recently. Talk about them with your friends! Outside of that it's been a bit of general, behind the scenes maintenance stuff and nagging Temi until she told me how soft affects work so I can unsuspectingly stinkify you guys up. So, y'know. Good, clean times."

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Elzenn claims, "That's all for me."

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Estone declares, "And bug demonss!"

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Kinaed queries, "I think that concludes Staff Updates. Any questions or anything?"

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Elzenn squishes a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.

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Elzenn claims, "He is your friend."

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Fianna questions, "Are you guys aware that long descriptions on NPCs have ceased to be?"

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Elzenn nods at Fianna.

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Kinaed claims to Fianna, "Er, no. I was unaware."

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Elzenn states, "Az has been fighting that."

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Fianna claims, "Resetting 'em doesn't work anymore, like it used to. You can set it, but it doesn't display."
Axton puts a greenish-grey doll, in the likeness of a decomposing body in a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.

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Fianna nodnods at Elzenn.

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Temi claims, "It's a display issue, not that they no longer exist, I believe."

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Axton closes a knitted, dark wool doll of a somewhat person-shaped swarm.

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Kinaed says, "So it sounds like Az is aware and working on it. We have a few high priority bugs - @ formatting, and long descs would be at the top of the list, I think."

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Temi claims, "Just not as high as the memory issues had been."

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Temi grins.

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Kinaed says, "It's probably related to our fixing how strings work in memory, please be patient."

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Fianna exclaims, "'Course! "

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Kinaed claims, "And also, please do report. Thank you, Fianna."

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Axton claims, "Bugged NPCs are a sign of progress."

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Kinaed says, "Anything else? If not, my favorite part of the meeting is coming."

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Kinaed snickers and nods to Axton, "Too true."

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Vicannia glances at Kinaed "The dismemberment of the unsuspecting meeting attendees? I didn't know that was your favorite part too."

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Estone muses, "While the @ issue remains -- double enter between lines works, yes?"

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Kinaed sticks her tongue out at Vicannia.

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Fianna claims, "I don't... think it does. I remember being told about @ and being super happy because nothing else worked to keep lines separate."

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Kinaed wonders, "Okay, it's time for staff to shut up and players to start talking. How was RP this week, folks?"

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Axton claims, "I just use line delete after. or line insert. Hassle, but works."

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Kinaed nods at Fianna.

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Kinaed nods at Axton.

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say It's been a lot of fun!

Raymond declares, "It's been a lot of fun!"
(This is an OOC room. Nothing counts for rpxp here.)

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l
A Comfortable Room
[Perfect]
A plethora of gaily coloured silk pillows with fringes and tassels
completely conceal the floor. A large pillow in the corner stands out, a
brooding black mass of velvet and fringeless. Screens of nature scenes
painted with the spare strokes of a brush that hint at and outline the
subjects, leaving much to the imagination. Behind the screens, silk
curtains and sheets painted with bright patterns hide the walls, pulled
back only around the windows that pierce the southern and western walls to
look out over a lush garden filled with an untamed riot of plants and
trees.

[ Exits: down ] [ Air exits: none ]
Leofrick is here. [App: 3]
[IAW] Margaux is here. [App: 5]
Blake is here.
Tacitus is here. [App: 3]
Kheit is here. [App: 1]
Gaspard is here.[P] [App: 2]
Feamanuslaewyn is here. [App: 2]
Estone is relaxing on his cloud. As per the usual. [App: 3]
Elzenn is here. [App: 1]
Vicannia is here. [App: 3]
Fianna is sitting on Estone. [App: 3]
Riannan is here. [App: 2]
[IAW] Takta is here. [App: 5]
Axton is hanging with the immortals. [App: 1]
Esther is here. [App: 2]
Kinaed is here. [App: 5]
Temi is here. [App: 5]
Azarial is here. [App: 5]

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[Action: Estone is relaxing on his crate of booze. As per the usual. ]

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Kinaed says to Axton, "We want to eliminate the hassle, but it may take a bit of time with only one programmer and a heap of stuff to do."

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Fianna says, "RP is getting veeeeery interesting."

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Kinaed claims to Raymond, "Excellent to hear."

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Esther claims, "I've had a lot of fun this week"

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Vicannia shrugs "Haven't really been on much this week. Been dealing with other things and stuff behind the scenes on this character

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Kinaed nods at Fianna.

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Axton declares, "Great! This is my first RP character I've tried, and I'm actually learning what to do. My mistakes are down to occasional! (help adjectives)"

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Feamanuslaewyn declaims, "I want to RP again, but I don't know how!!!"

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Kinaed says to Esther, "Awesome. "

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Kinaed nods at Vicannia.

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Kinaed smiles at Axton.

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Kinaed wonders to Feamanuslaewyn, "Any way we can help with that?"

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Estone states, "My trouble seemed to go over well, sans the hitches involved. That was pretty nice."

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Kheit is idle.

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Kinaed nods at Estone.

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Riannan says, "It's been a lot of fun. I just go find random people, and randomly, out of nowhere, inject my char in to the rp. Just because I can."

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Kheit is no longer idle.
Kheit has returned from AFK.

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Kinaed queries, "Is there anything people encountered this week that drove them crazy that they want to let staff know about?"

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Feamanuslaewyn says, "It's just schedule and distance from the game. It's hard trying to stay relevant with such long absences. But it's fine, I'll be able to get back in the groove."

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Fianna exclaims to Riannan, "That's the best!"

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Kinaed says to Riannan, "That's a great way to get involved. "

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Axton nudges Kheit.

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Vicannia smirks "Though while not directly related to rp, was super excited to see Help People Rhea get finalized this week." (Sorry, bit of a slow typer today)

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Feamanuslaewyn says, "Thanks though, Kinaed."

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Riannan says to Fianna, "Yes, I just hope no one finds me annoying, for randomly injecting my char in places."

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Kinaed states to Riannan, "If people have WhereRP on, our standard is that this is an invitation for others to crash."

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Kinaed smiles at Vicannia.

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Kinaed states to Vicannia, "No worries."

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Kinaed smiles at Feamanuslaewyn.

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Blake states, "It's a lot of fun playing here, some of the systems can be a bit confusing and there's a LOT to read, but I think the tutorial does a good job of teaching the basics and trusting the players will figure the rest out if needed."

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Leofrick gasps.

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Kheit says, "I'd say this week was rather solid, the only issue I'd came across is one that we were chatting about in OOC extensively, and that's the missing of emotes, especially towards cyans."

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Esther agrees with Blake

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Kinaed claims to Blake, "Also, thank you on behalf of the staff and TI community for our new forum logo."

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Estone queries, "I've been wondering.. Is there a comprehensive 'this is the important stuff' helpfile?"

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Takta says, "Logo's very cool. "

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Blake blushes, "Aww, chucks."

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Kinaed states, "Guys, please clear your image cache and visit the forums if you want to see it."

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Fianna gasps. "Logo?!"

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Blake claims, "Ctrl + F5 / CMD + F5 to clear cache"

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Kheit nods to Blake as well, "Yeah, it's rad dude, thanks."

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Tacitus is idle.

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Blake states, "No worries, happy to help. It's payment for the past week of funtimes. "

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Axton cracks up. "Speaking of ignoring..."

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Fianna says, "Duuuuude. Well done, Blake."

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Takta says, "If folks didn't see the convo Kheit is referring to, by the way, it's worth thinking about. I've definitely seen emotes get overlooked by their targets."

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Kinaed claims to Estone, "'this is the important stuff'... I think we have some new player faqs along with the new player zone."

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[OOC] Walolowa(us): "The nostalgia is -strong-."

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Kinaed asks of Takta, "Where is that conversation happening?"

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Takta says, "Or responded to in a way where it seems like people just aren't reading."

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Fianna peers at Kheit. "What was the convo about?"

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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Radical logo."

Temi states, "It was on OOC, I think"

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Takta states to Kinaed, "Oh it happened a few days back on the OOC chan."

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Riannan says, "Yeah, i didn't see this convo."

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Kinaed is guilty of that, btw. I just don't read thoroughly sometimes.

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Riannan says, "But then again I have ooc off and occasionally on."

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Kinaed nods at Riannan.

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Kinaed states to Riannan, "I missed the conversation also."

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Kinaed questions to Kheit, "Can we get a quick summary?"

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Kheit says to Kinaed, "Yeah, it was on OOC a while back. I know a lot of the time it's people just missing an emote, but I've noticed enough recently that it's bugged me.

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Gaspard says, "I do have one RP issue I'd like to bring up"

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Kinaed nods at Kheit.

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Kinaed muses to Gaspard, "Yes?"

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sayto kheit Thank you for bringing it up! I hope my PC has not done that to anyone. x_x
Raymond states to Kheit, "Thank you for bringing it up! I hope my PC has not done that to anyone. x_x"
(This is an OOC room. Nothing counts for rpxp here.)

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Kinaed nods at Raymond.

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Estone claims, ".. My browser is confused. It keeps showing the new logo then eating it with the phpBB. D:"

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Feamanuslaewyn wonders, "Kheit do you mean like osay or ooc chat?"

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Gaspard states, "Languages are awesome and -great- to learn and use in RP, but please be mindful that not everyone may know a specific language... and suddenly speaking it as a group can and will absolutely exclude someone from having much to RP off of."

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Blake asks, "Estone, are you on MAC or PC?"

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Estone says, "Former"

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Blake asks, "Which browser?"

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Takta nods at Gaspard.

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Kinaed nods.

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Estone pontificates, "Chrome!"

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Blake states, "Do Ctrl + F5 and it'll clear the cache and re-download page images, should fix it."

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Tacitus is no longer idle.

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Axton asks, "I'm still guilty of hitting enter when I finish my first thought in a pose, instead of taking time to put everything in it that I needed to, it takes some practice. As for languages, sometimes its an inside joke. Have you seen it happen much, like in mulitple emotes in a row, Gaspard?"

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Fianna says, "Oh god, yeah. When a scene just switches up to a different language without any apparent purpose to it and stays that way it suuucks."

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Kinaed nods at Axton.

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Kheit says to Raymond, "You have! Which is totally just an instance of people missing it, but it's the kind of thing that totally happens no matter what. I'm sure I've done it before. But, it's a huge, huge, turn off.

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Takta claims, "That's a good point I've experienced a lot player-side, too. Suddenly switching languages in public scenes has the potential to utterly cut other players out of RP."

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Gaspard says, "Say I've seen entire scenes where some players will end up doing that."

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Kheit says, "I should say, it's a huge turn off when it feels -intentional-, not when it's huge and spammy.

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Estone states, ":("

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Gaspard claims, "It happened to me during a public event actually when I was still playing Bishop Potter"

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Gaspard states, "When the Nobles all suddenly started speaking I think Vavardi or Tubori."

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Elzenn claims, "Also, IC-ly, it is something that's markedly rude enough to be socially looked down upon to do it in front of your betters."

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Elzenn says, "So's, definitely push that point IC, too."

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Kheit says, "I actually don't mind it at all, as long as it's address ICly, but it should be addressed ICly."

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Axton frowns. "Ouch. I've never seen that cuz I'll bug them if I see it as more than half an emote."

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Kinaed states, "Okay, so folks - please remember to try and read the emotes going around you thoroughly before responding. People took time to write something for you to RP off, so it's only polite. We'll all miss things upon occasion, but it's not a bad thing to have a community reminder. Also, please be judicious with language use so as not to greatly exclude others unless you have a good, IC reason to do so."

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Elzenn says, "...or, y'know, a version fo that sentence that made sense."

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Kinaed wonders, "Does that sum up the messages? Did I miss anything?"

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Kinaed nods at Elzenn.

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Gaspard nods.

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tell kheit I'm sorry if my PC has done that! x_x Definitely not my intention; I love when people emote for me!
You tell Kheit, "I'm sorry if my PC has done that! x_x Definitely not my intention; I love when people emote for me!"

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Axton claims, "I think a good policy is at most, half an emote in another language."

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Riannan asks, "Can I just say one last thing on the language thing?"

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Kinaed nods at Riannan.

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Temi says, "And feel free to OOCly ask someone in a tell if they missed something you're waiting on a response to, especially in a busy scene. Usually it's OOC, rather than IC."

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Kheit replies to you, "Oh, yeah, no worries, I'm not offended, I know it happens!"

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Kinaed nods at Temi.

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Elzenn claims, "That's not to say it's not something you can't intentionally do. If you are being rude on purpose, that's justifiable."

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tell kheit Can you please remind me when it happens so that I can recall what ever might've happened that I didn't read an emote?
You tell Kheit, "Can you please remind me when it happens so that I can recall what ever might've happened that I didn't read an emote?"

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Kheit replies to you, "Yeah, I'll make sure to mention it in the future!"

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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Though maybe you'd like to acknowledge it with rude RP."

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Kinaed nods at Elzenn.

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Elzenn claims, "(But yes, in Lithmore, you should be speaking the Queen's language.)"

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Kinaed grins at Feamanuslaewyn.

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Elzenn nods at Feamanuslaewyn.

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tell kheit Thanks!
You tell Kheit, "Thanks!"

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Riannan muses, "I just want to say, it's okay if you're talking in another language, especially if the person you're conversing with, is speaking in it. But to just be considerate about it. Like what I do, is speak in vavardi with one person, then switch languages, before emoting to another person in say lithmorran. So that way, everyone feels included. Plus, if you're wanting to say something privately to someone in another language, it's fine, as long as you're being considerate and switching over and including them in rp as well. Does that make any sense or am I just rambling?"

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Gaspard says, "That's cool. Just realize that it's considered incredibly rude IC to do that in front of folks who can't speak it."

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Kinaed states to Riannan, "I think it makes sense. The inclusion part is the big deal, not so much that people speak different languages."

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Axton states, "I think it goes along with what I said, half an emote in another language at most, for an inside joke or something private."

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Elzenn claims to Riannan, "It is, actually, not acceptable to do that, IC to do that in front of your betters."

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Elzenn flops.

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Elzenn tries again.

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Kinaed says to Elzenn, "But it does work with your peers."

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Elzenn states to Riannan, "It is, actually, not acceptable to do that IC in front of your betters."

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Kinaed states, "Elzenn is correct that speaking a language that your betters (ie, people higher on HELP PRECEDENT) to your character, can get you into IC trouble."

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Elzenn states to Kinaed, "Yeah, but I'd imagine it would be frowned upon."

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Axton says, "Betters would only count as Nobles, right? Gentry -technically- aren't any better than freeman, just richer."

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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Sometimes I have a hard time telling gentry from Freemen at first."

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Elzenn states to Axton, "Some gentry have titles."

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Riannan states, "No, but I've had my betters speak to me in vavardi, and then someone else walks in. But they, my betters are still speaking to me in vavardi, so I can only assume that they want to keep the conversation private."

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Margaux states, "Betters is a nebulous term."

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Gaspard says to Feamanuslaewyn, "Best way to tell is by looking at their clothes."

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Kinaed claims to Axton, "HELP PRECEDENCE explains who is the better of whom, in theory. "

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Estone says, "To be less of a teddy bear.. RP it out for everyone involved.. but it -can- be intentional use of a language to talk around someone, too."

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Kinaed claims, "In practice... gravitas means a lot."

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Kinaed nods at Estone.

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Elzenn states to Axton, "And a lot of it is who you are and how you act and who your friends are."

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Fianna wonders, "Titled gentry are still gentry, but... Generally speaking, if you think they might be your social superior it's better to be careful?"

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Elzenn says to Fianna, "They are, but some of them do sit higher in precedence."

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Elzenn says, "Justiciar is gentry, but still a Great Lord."

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help precedence
Helpfile for Precedence

Precedence is a nebulous concept regarding how Lithmorrans look at their
world with regards to who, generally, is the social equal of whom and so
on. On the abstract level, most Lithmorrans would agree about the
following structure of precedence, but individual views tend to vary wildly
based on one's own position in society and immediate loyalties. To add to
the complexity, precedence is situational as well - for example a priest
will generally be listened to regarding religious matters even if the
Justiciar were to give a sermon.

In general, however, most Lithmorrans would agree that the following
general order of precedence holds true of individual power:

First Tier
1 Ruling Monarch, Patriarch/Matriarch, Regent
2 High Steward, Heir Apparent, Retired Monarch, Duke/Duchess
3 Prince/Princess, Royal Consort, Cardinal

Second Tier
1 Grand Inquisitor, Great Lord, Count
2 Archbishop, Marquis, Grand Master, Proconsul
3 Baron, Bishop, Poet Laudate, Grand Magnate, Prime Medicus
4 Vicar General, Poet Knight, High Inquisitor, High Priest,
Magnate

Third Tier
1 Templar, Court Bard, Inquisitor, Magistrate, Untitled Noble
2 Gentry, Knight, Priest, Professor, Master Craftsman, Bard
3 Freemen (commoners)
4 Peasants (serfs), Indentured Servants, Slaves, Daravi

* Hillmen and Charali may not be gentry or nobles. Additionally, being
a Hillman or Charali reduces one's social status by at least a rank,
if not more.

Regardless of the above, precedence remains a subjective matter. Personal
charisma and business acumen, or a lack thereof, can override the perceived
social power of any given individual.


[ Press (c)ontinue, (r)efresh, (b)ack, (q)uit or hit (h)elp ] (75% complete)

Finally, precedence is a matter of social courtesies, not legal rights
or authority. Each title above has its own place in society, filling
different roles. Thus, the legal rights of a baron are not necessarily the
legal rights of a bishop, and neither do they share authority (ie, a baron
has no authority to order a man arrested for heresy anymore than a bishop
can legally invade the property of a freeman, and neither can legally mimic
the sumptuary of the other).

See also: TITLES, COURTESY

(Subject area: information Last modified: Thu Aug 13 01:22:02 2015)


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Vicannia states, "Sometimes they are a great lord"

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Fianna queries, "A Great Lord isn't gentry anymore, though! Right?"

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Takta claims, "Great Lords have noble rights by law."

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Kinaed claims, "It's certainly not something that staff are going to come breathing down your neck about. The only reason it's raised here is as a reminder that language use can be exclusionary, so please keep that in mind. Everything else is an IC issue."

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Fianna says, "They're a Great Lord, not gentry."

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Takta nods at Kinaed.

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Axton claims, "Yeah I understand all of that, I was just saying technically gentry, on their own, don't outrank freeman unless they earn it."

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Vicannia states, "As I learned with misune, the title of great lord is not automatically granted"

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Elzenn nods.

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Elzenn states to Axton, "They are higher in precedence, so it's tenuous, but yeah."

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Feamanuslaewyn muses, "Really? I thought because of the patronym gentry were higher?"

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Kinaed claims to Axton, "I think they'd dispute that. "

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Temi states, "Gentry do outrank freemen, on their own, they just don't have any rights to do anything about it."

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Kinaed nods at Temi.

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Gaspard questions, "Wait wait wait, it's not auto granted?"

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Axton declaims, "Yes! that!"

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Elzenn claims, "As Temi says, they just can't decide to invest your house."

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[CookieMonster]

Gaspard states, "I thought it was auto granted if you had the position that gives it"

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Gaspard claims, "But lost it if you lost said position"

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Axton says, "But its not always a good idea to anger a person who is 100x as rich as you."

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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Sometimes it's even a bad idea."

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Vicannia trails off, "Nope, as I was informed, and the helpfile implies, you can hold the position, but if the court doesn't accept you as that position, they don't have to grant the great lord title... it was confusing"

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Kinaed says, "The law recognizes gentry and treats them differently to freemen. They have privileges, like sumptuary."

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Kinaed claims, "They do not have Noble Rights."

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Gaspard boggles, "That's BS Vicannia"

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Vicannia states, "Second paragraph of help great lord"

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Axton claims, "Ok sorry, hah. we can move on, honestly."

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Riannan claims, "To put it simply, the gentry is right smack in the middle. They're above freemen, but can't do anything about it, because they're not as high and mighty as noble."

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Takta says, "I was... pretty sure we were nt enforcing the idea that Great Lords have to be confirmed."

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Fianna claims, "That's definitely news to me, if it is enforced o.O"

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Kinaed says, "I think that's something for staff to review. We'll get back to you."

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Gaspard says, "Kinda defeats the purpose of their position if it's enforced."

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Esther claims, "Its better being a freeman, I have less to think about"

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Takta nods at Kinaed.

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Vicannia trails off, "It may have changed in the last year... I just was basing it off of misune's time as earl marshall"

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Gaspard claims, "I miss Misune."

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Temi claims, "I think it's less that they have to be confirmed, and more that they can be rejected."

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Gaspard says, "He needs to trundle in more often."

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Fianna states, "Saaaame."

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Vicannia coughs "he's still around... just he isn't my main focus..." feels like he is accidently derailing the topic

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Leofrick states, "Ninja knight."

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Fianna mumbles.

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Gaspard says, "I have one more RP topic to bring up when I can plz."

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Blake stands up.

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Kinaed states, "It is worth noting that we've had a spate of gentryfolk acting like freemen, and we've wondered if we may have to cap gentryfolk in game to drive the point home that gentryfolk aren't freemen and would absolutely not act like it because of how tenacious their position is. We've decided not to do that in the near term, but it may be worth a reminder that gentry is not an OOC setting to put on a character to get specific bonuses whilst playing an essentially freeman character."

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Fianna claims, "Temi claims, "I think it's less that they have to be confirmed, and more that they can be rejected." <---- This makes perfect sense to me."

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Kinaed says to Gaspard, "Go for it, but we should get to Vicannia soon."

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Feamanuslaewyn states, "I like the idea of a cap."

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Takta nods at Kinaed.

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Gaspard claims, "Grand Magnate. We needs one And we need a ruthless penny pincher of one too."

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Axton states, "I put it in my background that my character has trouble with the concept of gentry, its part of his RP learning how to act like one >.>"

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Vicannia trails off, "The last ruthless penny pincher we had didn't go over so well... god I miss alphos"

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Margaux may think about doing it.

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Fianna claims to Margaux, "Ieeee"

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Gaspard states, "Oh my god a Margaux GM"

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Takta claims, "Gentry concepts should generally care about class and status and be educated about what it means."

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Kinaed claims to Axton, "That wasn't directed at you, apologies if it seemed that way. It was actually based off some commentary made by a gentry person on a guild channel about how they knowingly act like freemen "

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Axton votes for Margaux!

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Gaspard states to Vicannia, "I thought I had heard a lot of good about Alphos"

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Riannan says, "Yeah, I was just going to say, I hope that's not me. If it is, it's totally unintentional."

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Estone nods with Takta.

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Vicannia chuckles at Gaspard

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Margaux states, "Alphos was great."

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Vicannia says, "Great from a rp stand point"

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Fianna says, "I've always heard epic things about ALphos. It sounds like it went SUPER well."

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Kinaed says, "I miss Alphos too. "

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Margaux states, "He was a good GL too."

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Kinaed nods at Margaux.

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Axton says to Kinaed "Oh, no, I didn't think it was, I'm just saying I like the Gentry being different than freeman because it gives my Gentry something to work on. He talked about it in confession, and how he's going against the path of Davism by not understanding his role in the social order."

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Vicannia clears throat "Reminds that he was one of the first merchant gls in a long time to be ousted by a majority vote from his entire guild

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Gaspard states to Vicannia, "That makes him cooler to me."

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Fianna claims, "That doesn't mean it was a failed character. o.O He was big enough to piss THAT MANY people off."

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Vicannia claims, "Same here... And I wasn't saying he was a failed character. I was meaning that the ruthless penny pincher often doesn't last long"

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Temi states, "Remember to consider how to enable your enemies to go on being around for you to RP with when you are thwarting them."

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Temi says, "Not that you -have- to, but it does help you have those people you love RPing with in that fashion."

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Kinaed nods at Temi.

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Elzenn states, "It's a bleak landscape with no bad guys."

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Axton says, "I don't do half-assed thwarting."

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Vicannia can be evil without being outwardly evil

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Kinaed states to Axton, "I think it's in your best interest to consider doing so. RP is about making a good story with other characters, not about winning any given contest."

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Temi states, "And if we can do something to help enable that, and you have an idea for it, please do let us know, as well"

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Kheit claims, "I would absolutely love see more antagonists. I'd love to see Nobility/Gentry treat Freeman like Freeman, and I'd love to see more thieves/oppressive individuals."

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Kinaed nods at Kheit.

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Fianna trails off, "Law of Caring the shit out of some Freemen in the most condescending fashion imaginable..."

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Leofrick jots everything down.

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Axton says, "I've been seeing more of that recently, its pretty cool."

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Kinaed says, "There's a good portion of people who agree with that."

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Vicannia misses the thieves of old

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Takta says, "Gentry have the biggest potential role to play here, IMO."

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Riannan laughs and asks, "Am I the only person who isn't like huge on conflict?"

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Takta says, "There are so many gentry out there and so much opportunity for class conflict."

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Kinaed trails off to Riannan, "Potentially... "

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Riannan laughs.

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Kinaed says to Riannan, "I hope you find a comfortable niche though."

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Esther claims, "You need conflict"

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Vicannia claims, "This game would not exist without conflict, as conflict is literately the theme"

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Gaspard claims to Takta, "I remember my first scene with a certain freeman and his wife."

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Kinaed nods at Esther.

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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Conflict may be scary, but without it everything is just so bland."

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Axton states, "My Gentry would rather cause conflict for other Gentry, frankly. Working on it."

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Gaspard says to Takta, "Pissing off said freeman by looking down on him trying to treat a friend."

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Gaspard claims, "Best scene ever."

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Takta grins.

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Fianna claims to Gaspard, "YES! Hooked on TI in .5 seconds."

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Riannan states, "It took my friend four months to convince me to play. I got addicted very quickly."

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Tacitus pontificates, "Conflict is the best!"

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Kinaed muses, "Along the lines of conflict though - and all of the rumor stuff - for those people who are really good at handling conflict without freaking out and just wanting to hide in a box - what is your secret?"

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Axton says, "Same here! It was that court demon that got me hooked, though."

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Takta says, "I'm very fond of people taking the opportunity to create RP like that. But I typically find, on freeman alts, gentry are more likely to insist they are just like freemen, they also have to work hard for a living, they're not big on class conflict, etc."

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Kinaed claims, "I think the hardest thing about IC conflict is not OOCly feeling like you're in the poo."

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Vicannia trails off, "Don't give a damn..."

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Gaspard says, "My secret is I'm a natural meaniehead and enjoy drinking your tears."

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Kheit claims, "So I love playing antagonists, and I love being antagonized, as I think it really drives good roleplaying."

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Fianna states to Kinaed, "Handle it IC. Somehow, by mounting the problem ICly it makes it feel better."

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Estone nods with Kinaed there.

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Kinaed trails off to Takta, "Well, hopefully this conversation has dispelled that myth..."

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Takta says, "I enjoy conflict much more when I actively choose to have my PC do something I myself feel is not 100% justified, correct, fair, etc."

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Kinaed nods at Fianna.

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Vicannia says, "That is literately my secret. I've had 23 characters in 3 years of playing. to me all characters are expendable for the sake of rp"

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Azarial says, "Conflict is the root of good rp, really. otherwise it's a mlp circlejerk."

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Kinaed states to Kheit, "Me too."

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Takta states, "When I can step back and say 'my character is not entirely in the right', IC and OOC naturally separate."

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Kheit says, "Effectively the best thing to do is get rid of the idea that your character's things are yours too. They're just a part of the story, and that story can be better if they lose them/get injured/die"

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Estone pontificates, "Being clear/light hearted OOCly during conflict scenes!"

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Leofrick says to Vicannia, "I will break that record.."
Kinaed claims to Vicannia, "Yeah, conflict doesn't bother me because I don't give a damn how it turns out."

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Temi claims to Takta, "That's a good hint."

Axton states, "Yeah but Gentry looking down on freeman is just so... typical. I'd rather be a Gentry looking down on other Gentry."

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Takta claims to Axton, "It's so typical it's atypical."

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Kinaed claims to Vicannia, "But I'm in a unique position, I don't really ever feel like I have much to lose other than a few descriptions, and I have a great story to gain."

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Takta says to Axton, "If you want to be unique, play a thematic PC."

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Vicannia claims, "As long as it enriches rp, and hopefully creates more, that is what I care more about"
Takta grins.

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Elzenn claims to Axton, "You would be surprised how few gentry look down on freemen."

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Estone says to Takta, "Except when your character is in the right. "

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Fianna points at Takta and +1000's.

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Gaspard states, "Mmmmm Gentry looking down on Gentry who act like Freemen."

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Gaspard says, "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

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say To think of my PC as a character in a book and that I am here to deliver a good story for myself and for the rest, and to understand that emotions and conflict are literally the currency of this game. Right, if you die, or if your character is getting bashed at, all your descriptions and all your work has served the purpose of delivering a hopefully-good story.

Raymond states, "To think of my PC as a character in a book and that I am here to deliver a good story for myself and for the rest, and to understand that emotions and conflict are literally the currency of this game. Right, if you die, or if your character is getting bashed at, all your descriptions and all your work has served the purpose of delivering a hopefully-good story."
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Kinaed snickers and nods at Takta's point.

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Axton says, "Thematic? I'll have to ask about that later."

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Elzenn says to Gaspard, "Lots of thematic recommends to collect theeereeeee."

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Vicannia trails off, "And I'm almost in the same boat as you kinaed, except I suck at writing descs... so I dread it"

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Gaspard claims, "I remember looking down on Tomas for bringing a Charali into the Palace."
Kinaed nods at Raymond.

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Gaspard says, "Oh that was a glorious scene"

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Axton declares, "I'll write them for you, Vic!"

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Kinaed comforts Vicannia.

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Azarial queries, "He had it washed first, right?"

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Kheit says to Takta, "That kind of thing happens a lot in MUDs, actually, it's the kind of thing that gets overlooked."

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Takta claims, "I come from a place of deep investment in my characters. I care a lot, I get very much into the story, and I agree with my characters fairly often. So I'm more prone to getting OOCly upset at IC conflict than some. So it really, really helps to take active strides to distance my perspective."

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Takta nods at Kheit.

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Kheit claims, "By players, I mean."

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Kinaed states, "Yeah, I ask other people to help me too, and usually buy clothing from merchants to avoid stringing my own."

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Gaspard claims to Azarial, "He assured that it was only going as far as the walls, which was much too close for comfort."

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Takta claims, "Everybody wants to be special, so no one is, etc."

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Kinaed muses to Takta, "Any particular steps you find yourself taking that work well?"

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Vicannia and not to be that person, but we have 12 minutes left... and we haven't even officially gotten to player topics, despite this practically being it

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Riannan queries, "Oh? These meetings are timed?"

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Azarial says, "Some people just don;t get kenneling your baser pets outside the city. pigs, peasants, barbarians."

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Kinaed declares, "Oh yeah, um. Let's move on. Player Topics!"

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Takta says to Kinaed, "Mostly actively choosing to make decisions -I- wouldn't."

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Takta grins.

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Kinaed states to Riannan, "Not timed, but intended to last an hour."

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Takta declaims, "Right, moving on!"

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Gaspard claims to Vicannia, "Sorry for derailing"

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Vicannia says, "They generally last an hour rhiannan"

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Feamanuslaewyn questions, "Oh what's the birth region thing?"

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Feamanuslaewyn says, "Forget it. Move on."

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Kinaed asks of Vicannia, "Please introduce your topics, one by one?"

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Axton says, "Region you were born in."

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Vicannia clears throat "So my first topic is in regards to the actual editor. With the recent bug that has been occuring, I've been trying to remove the extra lines that occur... which has resulted in sometimes accidently deleting a line and having to literally start over. However only today did I really notice just how much this is needed. I was trying to edit a plot advance, and after adding about 50+ lines of text, and trying to submit it did it tell me I had exceeded the character limit... And since canceling plot advances does not work, I literately had to go through the advance and delete every line I had just added, one by one... So my suggestion is a command for editor that allows you to delete multiple lines at once, such as @ld 15-33 for example. I'm not sure if this is doable, but thought it might be worth bringing up."

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[Court] Brynieve: *tosses beehive at the hawking bunnies* Go get 'em girls! Show those hawks how its done! Bees!

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Elzenn says to Feamanuslaewyn, "('purchase region')"

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say That's a nice idea.

Raymond states, "That's a nice idea."
(This is an OOC room. Nothing counts for rpxp here.)

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Fianna queries, "I think it's going to be a temporary problem, isn't it?"

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(visnet) Player Tobius: Could i maybe get some help getting out of some place? i got locked in

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Gaspard claims, "Can't you just @c or whatever it is"

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Kinaed says to Vicannia, "That'll probably be doable. I'll jot it down. Also, it does highlight that this @ formatting issue is of high priority."

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Gaspard claims, "To clear the whole editor"

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(visnet) Staff Elzenn: Sure!

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Estone muses, "Plot advance tags onto existing stuff, right?"

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Kinaed says to Gaspard, "Yes, but then you have to start from scratch."

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Azarial claims, "Note that '@' alone is actualy an unhandled error case in the commadn set."

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Vicannia claims, "I understand that, but it would be useful even after it"

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(visnet) Player Tobius: Wait nvm! thanks though

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Azarial says, "Or '@' and any non-valid command, really."

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(visnet) Player Tobius: Ah. well, thanks!

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Fianna muses to Azarial, "What does that mean?"

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(visnet) Staff Elzenn: Sorry, crossed!

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Vicannia says, "I can think of numerous times it would have been useful"

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Azarial claims, "It ignores bad input for a newline."

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Gaspard asks, "So @butts is ignored and creates an empty line?"

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Vicannia states, "And yes it does estone"

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(visnet) Player Tobius: No problem! thank you :D:D
Kinaed states to Azarial, "It became the default line insert somewhere along the line for many, many people. I think we need to honor that or select another character."

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Axton trails off, "I write down all of mine in notepad first..."

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Fianna says, "Hum... Yeah, if we had an alternative it would be just as good, I think."

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Azarial claims, "It will have to be a valid command; that is part of the formatting issues."

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Vicannia claims, "I just literately hit enter twice to put in an extra line, versus using @"

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Kinaed says, "A game I used to play used ^"

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Kinaed nods at Vicannia.

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Fianna asks, "If you do that you can't format it though, right?"

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Gaspard says, "Would be better if the editors could just be fixed to recognize an empty space by hitting enter."

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Kinaed says, "It just forced a whole blank line."

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Azarial claims, "That is likely more of a client issue."

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Axton says, "I write down all my letters, topics, board posts, etc in notepad, so if something goes wrong I can just clear it and try again. works well for me."

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Riannan says, "Yeah, the whole editor thing confuses me, so when I mess up, I just clear the whole thing and rewrite it."

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Gaspard wonders, "Problem is, if you don't do @ or otherwise, I think it jumbles it all together when you @f it?"

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Fianna claims, "Right."

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Kinaed states to Gaspard, "I think it's best if we have a reserved carriage return character rather than trying to have code contextually read if a blank space is actually a blank when formatting or a new line."

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Vicannia says, "It does not, at least for me"

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Kinaed says to Gaspard, "Just trust me on that. "

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Takta questions, "Why did I think we had @n as a command?"

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Takta states, "Apparently I'm just crazy."

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Vicannia claims, "It sounds familiar takta"

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Gaspard states to Kinaed, "I trust you"

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Fianna circles a finger by her temple and points at Takta.

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Margaux exclaims to Gaspard, "Famous last words!"

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Azarial claims, "The @ actually vanishes and becxomes a single space with an eol pair."

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Gaspard says to Margaux, "A wild Margaux appears."

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Vicannia claims, "Alrighty, second topic"

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Vicannia asks, "My second topic has actually already been mentioned in my first pose. I've found that recently the character limit for plot advances has become a massive hinderance. Call me crazy, but when I do a plot advance, I like to leave no detail up for debate or interpretation, and that often causes my advances to get rather long. And lord forbid I have to add a response ontop of what is already there. As it stands I believe the character limit for advances is 4200 characters, with the private note section being 3?00, I can't remember the exact one. So my question is it possible to either increase the limit, remove it, or am I the only one running into this issue and just need to learn to be less precise?"

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Riannan claims, "Oh so question, as far as the room maps go, like the ones you see when you type map, how important is that in game play? Because it's not screen reader accessible at all. I just get random letters and names/objects of people. Not sure hwo that whole thing works there."

Kinaed claims, "Okay, second topic "

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Margaux states to Vicannia, "I've hit that quite a few times."

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Kinaed says to Vicannia, "We've already got a bug up requesting the character limit be doubled, so I'd wait until that gets implemented."

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Riannan states to Vicannia, "Oh sorry, talked over you. Go on."

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Fianna states, "It would be awesome to have a set system for replying to staff in plot advances, period."

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Kinaed says to Fianna, "Hmm. Jotting that down."

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Vicannia says, "Did not know that, moving right along then"

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Azarial states, "I have increased the charcter limit, but i need actual examples to figure out the ideal size."

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Vicannia states, "And for the last topic, this one also touched upon in my first pose. Can we make it so that you can cancel out of editing a plot advance? I tried doing it today, as described above, but when I typed cancel to abort it, it told me to request it be deleted, and forced me to stay in the polca... so I had to submit it just to escape the polca."

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Kinaed nods at Vicannia.

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Gaspard says, "Could be neat if plot advances could recognize a cnote and just make the cnote public to viewing."

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Azarial says, "Cnotes are never public."

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Kinaed says, "I think it'd be hard to."

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Axton says to riannan, "I can explain that to you I think..."

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Kinaed states, "Changes are made directly into the POLCA, I think, so the game doesn't 'remember' what it was to just let you cancel it."

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Kinaed states, "That said, it would be an improvement if it does, so I'll note that and see what we can do."

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Riannan claims to Axton, "Yeah, I mean if it's not important in game play then don't bother. But it's just weird. I just get letters and yeah."

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Vicannia wonders, "Then can we just remove the option? right now it is misleading? The cake is a lie"

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Takta states to Riannan, "The range command can substitute for locating individual people."

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Axton says to riannan, "its important in combat, but there are work arounds, takta mentioned one."

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Azarial states, "Canceling should be doable when you first start one"

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Vicannia sneezes loudly.

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Vicannia trails off, "Because at the bottom it littler says type submit to finish or cancel to abort... or something like that"

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Elzenn states, "It is also relevant for perceiving whispers and hemotes."

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Temi says, "You can cancel out of plots, but only until the first save, yeah."

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Elzenn was talking about Riannan's thing.

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Azarial says, "Once they are in the system, they can only be edited"

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Kinaed claims to Vicannia, "It works for some POLCAs and not others. I think you're right, but we'll have to look into it."

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Riannan claims, "No no, it's I only bring it up, because someone told me that where things are in relation to other things, are rather important in TI. I asked him why, and he told me to type map. I did, and it was inaccessible. That's why I'm asking."

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Kinaed wonders, "Map is inaccessible?"

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Riannan claims to Kinaed, "Yeah, like if you just type map, you get letters and names but they don't mean anything. I don't understand. id on't mean the city map."

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Takta states to Riannan, "In-room placement matters for various commands, like attacking, whispers, hemotes, etc. Map shows where everybody is. But you can just use range to tell how far you are from people."

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Takta says to Riannan, "So you can get by without it."

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Blake is idle.

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Axton replies to riannan, "you can use range to locate a specific person, and approach outside of combat, charge inside of combat. I can go into more detail afterwards if you'd like."

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Riannan claims to Tacitus, "Ah okay, I'll use that then."

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sayto riannan To work around it, as it is hard for screenreaders, you can use the 'range' command as Takta said.
Raymond states to Riannan, "To work around it, as it is hard for screenreaders, you can use the 'range' command as Takta said."
(This is an OOC room. Nothing counts for rpxp here.)

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Riannan states to Takta, "Ah okay, I'll use that then."

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Estone has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]

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Kinaed queries, "Okay, so... with two minutes to go... anyone have any Public Service Anouncements?"

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Riannan says, "Be all that you can be? Okay sorry, shutting up."

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Riannan laughs.

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Kheit declaims, "Vote!"

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Vicannia thinks we should use subliminal messaging to get people to vote

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Kinaed says, "I do - please vote for TI to help us keep at the top of various lists so we're more visible to new players, which in turn will help you have people to play with. If you have the appetite for reminders, type 'autovote' to turn on an occasional reminder."

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Vicannia claims, "Just at random intervals some npc says vote"

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Axton exclaims, "Always!"

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Kinaed states, "You can vote by typing help vote, or going to our website and clicking on the links in the upper left hand side."

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Kheit declaims, "We're on the second page of TMS consistently, but with the numbers we get, if we vote once a day, we'd easily be in the top 20!"

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Riannan says, "Okay well voting isn't easy. I tried. it makes you register and do weird things."

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Leofrick exclaims, "About to take 14 in TMC!"

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Feamanuslaewyn says, "I'll be starting a story involving the University next week. Just wanted to know if people would be interested, since I plan to make it non combat."

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Kinaed questions, "We haven't had a review of TI on TMC since October of last year that I can see. Is anyone interested/willing to submit one there?"

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Axton claims, "I can"

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Kheit claims, "Oh, I totally forgot to post mine there."

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Kinaed says to Feamanuslaewyn, "Cool "

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Kinaed says to Axton, "Thank you."

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Fianna claims, "I've decided to submit one once a year until the end of time. September is coming soon."

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Kheit states, "I posted it over on TMS, I'll throw it up over there too."

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Kinaed smiles at Fianna.

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Axton claims, "I'll need to know the site names, kheit can tell me."

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Kinaed claims to Kheit, "Thank you. If you link me to the TMS one, I'll QP you for that also."

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Vicannia trails off, "Should probably write another one... since the last one was... two years ago or something"

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Kinaed states, "Thank you, everyone, both for your support of the game and your participation in today's OOC Chat."

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Riannan exclaims, "It's been fun! This one was my first!"

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Kinaed claims, "I'll be sending you back onto the grid in just a few seconds, so brace yourselves. "

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Feamanuslaewyn claims, "Thank you guys, staff, for the game."

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Fianna braces.

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Kinaed says to Riannan, "I hope we have many more. "

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Vicannia go read help people rhea!

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Esther waves.

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Riannan claims, "I thank my friend daily for asking me for four months to play this game."

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Kinaed waves.

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Riannan waves.

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Axton steals fianna's braces

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Fianna screams.

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Feamanuslaewyn states, "I am to special for the mortal realmn."

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Kinaed claims to Riannan, "Hehe, don't forget to use the referral commands to give your friend some QP for bringing you."

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Kinaed trails off, "Okay, here we go... "

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Riannan claims to Kinaed, "Already done."

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Kinaed finger-picks out the returning commands...

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Kinaed waves cheerfully.