Log of OOC Meeting 16/04/2016

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Kinaed wonders, "Today's Agenda is:

- Staff Updates
- Player Heartbeat
- Player Topics

Is there anything anyone would like to add to the agenda to make certain we discuss it today?"

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Eamon has lost link.
Eamon has reconnected.

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say I have a topic.

Raymond states, "I have a topic."
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Tobius snuggles a velvet doll of a red-breasted buzzard with a mottled head.

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Yonatan holds a velvet doll of a red-breasted buzzard with a mottled head in his hand.

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Kinaed states to Raymond, "Noted, please write it up so you can introduce it quickly when I call on you during Player Topics."

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Yonatan lifts a velvet doll of a red-breasted buzzard with a mottled head and
makes it dive threatningly down, its fuzzy wings flapping during the descent.

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Kinaed queries, "Anyone else?"

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tell margaux I noticed it's up for preorder! And it's not as expensive, either.
You tell Margaux le Rouselle, "I noticed it's up for preorder! And it's not as expensive, either."

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tell margaux Did you see the tour around the galaxy trailer?
You tell Margaux le Rouselle, "Did you see the tour around the galaxy trailer?"

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[Court] Bertrand ponders. "Can you lace things with mushrooms? Could you, go with me, use the fun kind in a mushroom-filled pastrie?"

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[Court] Brynieve: Not any more, because you killed all the fungus. On the upside, you'll now be a saint to the Farin, because no more athlete's foot!

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Kinaed claims, "Okay, if not, I'll kick off Staff Updates. This week, I didn't do a lot. Answered a couple of policy questions, mostly along the lines of "That's not really an issue I can get involved in" and kicked things back IC. Not a lot of bad behavior, so that's great. I also wrote a help file for the other staff to use that explains how to write a spec in a template-format."

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Kinaed claims, "Next week, it's more focus on Roles and Jail Automation specs."

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Kinaed states, "That's it for me. Az, you're up."

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Fianna celebrates for Roles.
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Azarial says, "A few bugs, but RL is insane atm."

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Kinaed nods at Azarial.

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Kinaed has transferred Gaspard. [OOC]

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Elzenn has created a velvet doll of a red-breasted buzzard with a mottled head[1].

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Elzenn gives a velvet doll of a red-breasted buzzard with a mottled head to Gaspard.

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Kinaed quickly checks the staff boards to see if there's any changes worth highlighting.

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Kinaed claims, "It does all appear to be minor bug fixes, no major new rollouts. Thanks, Az "

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Kinaed says to Temi, "You're up. "

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Temi declares, "Okay! So I got the approval on the Vavardi helpfile sprucing project, so those are now live. Hopefully everyone has a chance to read through and enjoy them at some point!"

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help vavardi
Helpfiles on vavardi:
Architecture Capuan Climate
Customs Education Faith
Family in Vavar Fashion Food
Morals Perspectives Trade
Vavardian


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Temi claims, "Beyond that, some plots stuff. And I've been doing a few crafting request things, especially for cooking this last round."

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Kinaed smiles.

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Fianna says, "...Temi, they're awesome. I keep rereading them."

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Temi states, "There's now pastries filled with egg, cheese and vegetables (which can include mushrooms)."

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Eamon cheers for cooking!

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Kinaed feels hungry thinking about it.

Temi says, "And I added a new rank 75 for an absolutely absurd chocolate sculpture."

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Elzenn says, "(GM cooking, guys.)"

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Temi trails off, "It hasn't seemed like having rank 60-70 for cooking of some more specific regional delicacies has been well received..."

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Feamanuslaewyn has lost link.

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Temi claims, "So I'm looking at adding a bit more to make these ranks wortwhile in a more 'what crazy stuff would be served at fancy parties'"

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Temi says, "So hopefully people who enjoy cooking shuold feel like the post 60 is valuable."

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Kinaed says, "Turducken."

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Temi claims, "And that's it for me."

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Gaspard says, "How about an item at 75 that can be cooked that's so refreshing it heals all your move."

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Fianna claims to Gaspard, "Magery."

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Riannan states, "Now that's just insane."

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Temi says, "Rations already do a pretty good job of it, you just might need a couple bites."

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Temi grins at Gaspard.

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Gaspard says, "Holy Lemonade. We can serve it at the Cathedral."

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Kinaed claims, "I don't think it's a bad idea, but we have cost/output food energy standards."

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Eamon states, "Comfort Food: Rank 75. Described: Just like your momma used to make."

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Riannan laughs.

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Gaspard claims, "<3 Eamon"

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Kinaed questions to Temi, "Anything else to add? "

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Temi claims, "Generally, as things get higher in costs and ranks, they return more mvs per bite, because I have to keep that balance."

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Temi claims, "All good."

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Kinaed nods at Temi.

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Gaspard states, "So Royal Travel Rations"

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Kinaed declaims to Temi, "Thanks Good work this week!"

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Kinaed claims to Takta, "You're up. "

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Takta states, "So I am at the very end of my semester, and things are insane. I found some time this week to finish the Path of Fire holy book and get the new helpfile in."

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Gaspard claims, "Nf"

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Gaspard claims, "Unf"

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Takta says, "I also blitzed some typos and Requests, but bigger stuff is gonna need a week or two more for the end-of-semester rush to quiet down - then I'll be into summer and stupidly productive in some way here."

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Takta grins.

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Ostium pontificates, "I like the update quite a bit!"

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Takta says, "That's about it."

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emote claps.

Raymond claps.
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Takta states, "(If you're playing Path of Fire contact us for a copy of the book)"

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Kinaed says to Takta, "Can't wait. "

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Kinaed declares to Elzenn, "You're up!"

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Leofrick muses, "Will you only be able to get to the book by contacting staff or stealing it?"

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Margaux le Rouselle tells you, "Oh, and planets have population units, each one of which can have different ideologies."

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Elzenn says, "I... what did I do? I built phomes and bounced around doing some random on-grid fixing, recommend-approving and visnet-manning. I crashed the game once. I worked with a few players on some White Flame continuation. Look out for messengers and clues."

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tell margaux Definitely it would've been a monster of a game, but also a CPU Cookie Monster.
You tell Margaux le Rouselle, "Definitely it would've been a monster of a game, but also a CPU Cookie Monster."

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tell margaux That's amazing.
You tell Margaux le Rouselle, "That's amazing."

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Takta says, "There will probably be other methods soon, just haven't worked them out."

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Kinaed nods at Takta.

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Leofrick grins.

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Margaux le Rouselle tells you, "And some ideologies may not fit well under your empire, of course."

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Malek is idle.

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Malek is no longer idle.

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Malek has returned from AFK.

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Elzenn states, "I know some people are waiting on (numbers-y) plot advances and thank you for your patience, I am trying to get things back on grid before we talk those."

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Elzenn declares, "And that is that for me!"

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Kinaed wonders to Elzenn, "How far off are we from the White Flame plotlines concluding?"

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Margaux le Rouselle tells you, "So maybe you want to reassign all of your trouble pops to different planets, or... whatever really!"

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Elzenn states, "We're pretty home-stretch right now, I would say."

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Kinaed smiles.

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Elzenn says, "A few IC shenanigans and we can stage a big final blow out."

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say Yay!

Raymond exclaims, "Yay!"
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Kinaed says, "I've had nothing but positive feedback, so good work."

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Fianna claims, "Plotline inspired my entire character concept. Elzenn's awesome. >.>"

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Elzenn exclaims, "Tell your friends, bring your sharpest sword!"

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Elzenn claims, "Don't mind the body parts."

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Kinaed wonders, "Okay, if that wraps up our Staff Updates, it's now time for Player Heartbeat! How was this week, folks? Have you been enjoying the game? Anything bothering you that you'd like to raise with staff?"

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Gaspard states, "Not much here. I've been kinda tied up out of game."

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Eamon says, "Havin' a good time."

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Kinaed nods at Gaspard.

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Kinaed states to Gaspard, "Happens to us all. "

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Ostium says, "For the most part, great! One thing has been bothering me a lot, but I'm unsure where to bring it up, so I'll wait until I figure that out."

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say It's been fun!

Raymond pontificates, "It's been fun!"
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Kinaed wonders to Ostium, "Maybe type it up and we can discuss it during the player topics?"

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Malek pontificates, "This week's been a bit slow, I've found, but that's certainly on me!"

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Ostium says, "Maybe."

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Estone states, "Have a lot of interesting things up in the air in game, but same as Gaspard, RL business is keeping them all up in the air."

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Kinaed nods at Estone.

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Margaux claims, "I've been feeling a bit more into things the last day or two, which has been good."

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Kinaed smiles at Margaux.

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Hunapo states, "It has been kinda slow for me, but part of it could be just when I can log on I see everone in private rooms and then lack the effort to actually hunt someone down"

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Hunapo claims, "Also known as: It is my own fault."

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Kinaed says, "I have to admit, I've been feeling a mix of 'what's going on here' as we've had several players bow out (for example Vicannia's post on the forums), but overall activity seems steady to increasing."

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Kinaed nods at Hunapo.

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Kinaed states to Hunapo, "You can just ask for RP on the OOC Channel or via tells too."

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Riannan pontificates, "It's been good! I've been part of some seriously intense scenes. It is impressive. Oh yeah, I just ask people on tells if they have time for a scene. It's been great!"

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Kinaed claims, "I know you know, but it's a good reminder for people looking who might not realize that the only legal way isn't using 'where' and 'travel'. "

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Kinaed smiles.

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Kinaed nods at Riannan.

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Ostium pontificates, "I didn't know you could use visnet to ask for RP! thats great!"

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Kinaed states to Ostium, "Please use the OOC Channel instead of visnet, but otherwise, yes. It's fine to broadcast a global message."

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Ostium says, "Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying."

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Kinaed says, "Visnet is specifically for player assistance. OOC is a channel people can turn off if they want to ignore the outside world."

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Gaspard says, "Tbh, a lot of the bowouts I've seen lately have been people not willing to accept that they didn't "win" in what they were trying to do."

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Kinaed states to Ostium, "No worries "

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Hunapo nods at Kinaed.

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Tobius , agrees with Gaspard cough*

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Kinaed claims to Gaspard, "Yes, I thought that in at least one case."

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Hunapo says, "See comment about it being just as much my fault for lack of trying."

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Kinaed states, "Hopefully when the players in question calm down, they'll return."

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Margaux le Rouselle tells you, "Also, I have good* news! Elzenn is having a scene with Margaux and some other guy I've never met after the chat that has something to do with Marg's hubby. So excited. (Also, I've been feeling more energetic about TI the last couple of days.)"

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Kinaed smiles.

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Tobius claims, "Probably will"
Kinaed nods at Hunapo.

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Gaspard claims, "They will. Tends to be the case in most games."

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Kinaed asks, "Okay, anything else players want us to know before we move on the Player Topics?"

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Kinaed questions to Raymond, "I'll take that silence as a no. Please introduce your topic to us all? "

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say So, I know a similar topic has been raised last week, but I thought it would be nice to mention it as a reminder or suggestion. I've noticed people that have their whereRP on but they choose to RP with... well, only one person and absolutely ignore the world about them. It has not happened to my character, but I've seen it, and it's sad because the player that wrote a three or four lines emote finds himself with no response after he visited a place he expected to get RP from. IMHO, when you have RP on, it's an invitation for anyone at all to RP and I try to include every single player in my emotes so that everyone can share their amazingness with me. I don't want to tell anyone how to RP because that's an option of the player, but IMHO even if you want to ignore someone, you can at least explicitly put that in your emote. IDK, I just don't like newbies or players in general to be left out after they write an emote.

Raymond states, "So, I know a similar topic has been raised last week, but I thought it would be nice to mention it as a reminder or suggestion. I've noticed people that have their whereRP on but they choose to RP with... well, only one person and absolutely ignore the world about them. It has not happened to my character, but I've seen it, and it's sad because the player that wrote a three or four lines emote finds himself with no response after he visited a place he expected to get RP from. IMHO, when you have RP on, it's an invitation for anyone at all to RP and I try to include every single player in my emotes so that everyone can share their amazingness with me. I don't want to tell anyone how to RP because that's an option of the player, but IMHO even if you want to ignore someone, you can at least explicitly put that in your emote. IDK, I just don't like newbies or players in general to be left out after they write an emote."
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say Especially since some players seem to have been mentioning that the playerbase is sometimes becoming prone to stay indoors, which is fine, but IMHO we could all try to make it a nice environment for everyone when the RP -is- public.

Raymond states, "Especially since some players seem to have been mentioning that the playerbase is sometimes becoming prone to stay indoors, which is fine, but IMHO we could all try to make it a nice environment for everyone when the RP -is- public."
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Ostium states, "I agree, I go out of my way to include everyone unless they make it clear they don't want to be included, but I've run into people that just ignore others."

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Kinaed says, "I agree with your stance, Raymond. It's not that hard to throw in a sentence or two for characters in the room you're not interacting with. At least, until the room is actually teeming with people."

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Kinaed nods at Ostium.

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Leofrick questions, "What Ray said. Especially with ignoring someone, it is nice to mention it somewhere instead of leaving the other party wonder 'WTF?, is this an IC thing or OOC?'"

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Kinaed questions, "Are there people who are serially ignoring others, or is it an overall trend?"

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Kinaed nods at Leofrick.

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Eamon claims, "On the counterpoint - I don't encourage ignoring people, but I do see people walk in and just... not do much to make themselves part of the scene, don't provide others any fodder to RP with in an interesting way."

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Gaspard says, "If my character has no reason to notice you in a place like a crowded Tavern where all you've done is posed walking in, then I'm not going to twist what's sensible to do it."

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Kinaed states, "For example, em kinaed smiles at /takta and responds, "<some sentences>." She hasn't noticed /newguy yet."

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Gaspard says, "But that's just my stance on it."

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Eamon says, "And when you're already RPing with three or four people in a scene like that, it gets super hard to reach out."

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Kinaed claims, "That includes newguy without being werid for the RP."

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say Exactly, I feel generally happy about being very viciously mean in the emote rather than leaving it to the player to ask themselves if it's an OOC thing.

Raymond states, "Exactly, I feel generally happy about being very viciously mean in the emote rather than leaving it to the player to ask themselves if it's an OOC thing."
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Elzenn says, "While what Eamon and Gaspard are saying is valid, I have seen egregious examples of people butting in and coopting people from scenes when they were already involved with the other peopole already there."

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Eamon claims, "But I think we should all be willing to twist what's 'sensible', to some extent, for better RP."

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Gaspard claims, "I've seen folks who literally talk to 4 different people in a single pose and that's just now how conversation works. It feels weird and jarring to me."

Elzenn says, "So it happens both ways and it's not very cool."

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Gaspard says, "*not how"

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Ostium states, "With what gaspard says I have no problem with that, but I've waited for a lull in a conversation asked if I can join and then been completely ignored."

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Riannan says, "Yes, and while I do agree that we should try an include as many people as we can in rp, we also have to consider this one thing. That sometimes, even whilst we're in a public place, we may be having a really intense conversation/scene with a person. it's just not likely, that you'd turn from a really serious and intensive conversation to greet someone."

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Kinaed states, "When it comes to people butting in, please turn whereRP off if you're not interested in other people joining you."

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Kinaed states to Riannan, "That's fine, but turn whereRP off."

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Eamon says, "Realism is great, but coming up with any reason possible to make good story is better."

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Kinaed says to Eamon, "And to play with others."

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Gaspard says, "I don't really consider that a good story."

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Kinaed states, "This is a game. We're all responsible to make it as playable for each other as possible - so people do the same when it's our turn to have a new character trying to join in."

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Eamon claims, "You never know what you'll get out of bending the rules a little to interact more with others til you do it, though. I've had some pleasant surprises."

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Kinaed states, "And if you're not up for it, that's fine... just turn whereRP off."

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Yonatan states, "For my part, if a scene starts to ahve more than 3-4 people in it, it can get to be easy to miss emotes/miss people saying things to you. So if I miss out on someone in a larger scene, it's not intentional at all"

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Tobius claims, "I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that if i'm having a conversation in a corner of the room, or i just walked in and somebody i barely know icly is trying to flag me down is going to go well. i'm willing to be reasonable, but i feel other parties have to be reasonable, too. just because you exist shouldn't mean that i'm absolutely obligated to RP with you"

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Ostium states, "I've been on a cyan character I was trying to learn and actually joined a conversation only to be completely ignored by 2/3 people in it."

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Gaspard points at Tobius.

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Kinaed claims, "It's not like we all have to invite everyone else to every private scene, but if you are inviting other people (whereRP is on)... then you've sort of said "Hey, come RP with me" then shrugged when someone showed up."

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say This is a story. In my eyes, my book is my character and the setting depends on the other. It is our job to throw seeds so that EVERYONE enjoys it. Everyone is a player here. Everyone is here to have fun, even the guy that is right now learning to emote; sure, you DONT have to do that - but you can at least emote it, that you are not noticing them.

Raymond claims, "This is a story. In my eyes, my book is my character and the setting depends on the other. It is our job to throw seeds so that EVERYONE enjoys it. Everyone is a player here. Everyone is here to have fun, even the guy that is right now learning to emote; sure, you DONT have to do that - but you can at least emote it, that you are not noticing them."
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Kinaed nods at Ostium.

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Eamon nods at Raymond.

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say If you want to RP a realistic conversation you can emote that you simply are having too many conversations to follow up with the other guy talking to you.

Raymond claims, "If you want to RP a realistic conversation you can emote that you simply are having too many conversations to follow up with the other guy talking to you."
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Kinaed nods at Raymond.

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Eamon questions, "Ultimately, what do we lose by erring on the side of inclusiveness?"

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Tobius states, "I disagree. it's not my job to make sure everybody here ever has fun. that's not realistic and not fiar"

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Elzenn claims, "No, but because of the nature of things; it's often the same people making the 'little' extra effort and it becomes their entire responsibility to reach out to 'unknown' and especially new players who may not know anyone they get to RP with all the time."

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Riannan says, "Yeah, what I tend to do, is just randomly inject myself in to people's rp. It might make people feel annoyed at me, but as stated, if you have where rp on, then well... it's okay for me to do it. I try an advocate for myself, and try an make myself noticed in some way, so it makes it more natural and easier for people to rp with me."

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Eamon asks, "What does it cost us to take the effort to extend a hand to others?"

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say OOC fun is not = IC fun.

Raymond says, "OOC fun is not = IC fun."
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Tobius says, "I'm willing to extend an effort, but there seems to be a demand that i give an inordinate and unreasonable amount of effort here"

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Elzenn says, "There is actually nothing to lose in going 'so-and-so looks weirdy at this stranger who tried to butt in and looks away.'"

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Kinaed claims to Tobius, "To a degree, you're right - but not in the sense of common courtesy. These are the rules that make any system bearable. Just like we expect people not to curse at one another or shove in line. Being inclusive on a game is a courtesy."

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emote agrees with /elzenn.

Raymond agrees with Elzenn.
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Eamon claims to Tobius, "Nah, I don't think so - just trying to respond to someone who reaches out to you, or who walks in and then seems at a loss, etc."

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Eamon exclaims, "And not every time either!"

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Elzenn says, "If everyone did a little of that, there wouldn't be any need to force the issue."

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Elzenn states, "But if only a select few do, and they are not available, then we end up with an inhospitable grid."

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Tobius says to Kinaed, "As i said, i have no problem being courteous and trying, but i'm not going to bend my brains trying to rp with every char in a room full of ten. i'm sorry, but riannon is striking me as simply having unrealistic expectations and demands"

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say Don't forget that just like you, everyone else is investing themselves into our odd hobby, and every word is written for the others to read. Even emoting not noticing them at all is common courtesy to the guy who just spent a minute or two writing an emote.

Raymond says, "Don't forget that just like you, everyone else is investing themselves into our odd hobby, and every word is written for the others to read. Even emoting not noticing them at all is common courtesy to the guy who just spent a minute or two writing an emote."
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Tobius claims, "Point blank"

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say I mean, it's not in a ten RP.

Raymond says, "I mean, it's not in a ten RP."
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Eamon says, "I do think the -total- lack of response when spoken to is almost always a 'missed it' thing."

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Estone nods.

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say I'm rather talking about two persons at a bar, a player walking in, emoting, and not ever being replied to in any form or shape, not even ignoring them.

Raymond claims, "I'm rather talking about two persons at a bar, a player walking in, emoting, and not ever being replied to in any form or shape, not even ignoring them."
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Eamon claims, "Rather than a 'can't be bothered to RP with you' thing. But I know I've been guilty of seeing somebody pose into a tavern scene and then... do nothing, and not reach out."

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Riannan states, "Right, if we were in a room with ten people, then everyone would end up having someone to rp with, simply because there are so many people. And yes, I agree with Eamon."

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Kinaed claims, "In any case, I am absolutely fine with people not extending hands, provided they turn whereRP off. If they have it on or are in a room designated as a public room, it's in everyone's best interest, including theirs in the long run, to RP inclusively. I'd like to ask that people do so, or retire to private places to continue RP where they won't be bothered or make TI seem like a bad game with a cold, aloof culture where RP is not available, particularly to new players."

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Eamon states, "I will admit I've been surprised I had whererp on."

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say And it's particularly new players that might be suffering from this.

Raymond says, "And it's particularly new players that might be suffering from this."
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Kinaed says, "I wouldn't mind players reporting this behavior to me also so I can get an idea of how extensive the problem is."

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Fianna says, "Note: Nobody's saying you have to include everybody in a conversation. "Fianna doesn't notice /name." is still acknowledging they exist."

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emote nods at /fianna.

Raymond nods at Fianna.
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Kinaed claims, "Right now, it literally goes under the radar, but I keep hearing it come up in OOC Chats."

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Kinaed nods at Fianna.

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Takta states, "If it's a small scene and somebody emotes at you and there's just no response period, that does seem directly... wrong, not just rude."

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Kinaed nods at Takta.

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say I understand not emoting to the new entrance in a ten-players RP.

Raymond says, "I understand not emoting to the new entrance in a ten-players RP."
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Kinaed nods at Raymond.

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Tobius states, "But you're saying i have to include everybody in an emote. that's bloody ridiculous in a room of ten people. i'm fine with this in a scene of three or four, but when it's goes to 5 or 6, it gets hard."

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say But two guys at a room not emoting to a new arrival is... wrong, yeah. But yeah, that's my topic!

Raymond exclaims, "But two guys at a room not emoting to a new arrival is... wrong, yeah. But yeah, that's my topic!"
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Kinaed claims, "I get the feeling this is a more extensive problem in intimate gatherings of 3-4 players though."

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Eamon says to Tobius, "No, no, I don't think anyone means that."

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emote nods to /kinaed.

Riannan says, "Yes, we're not saying you have to acknowledge ten people in one room."

Raymond nods to Kinaed.
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say Not at a room of ten.

Raymond states, "Not at a room of ten."
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Ostium asks, "I'm fine with reporting just so you can get a record, but I'm assuming reporting it wouldn't count against the people ignoring you?"

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say I'm saying 2-5.

Raymond says, "I'm saying 2-5."
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Elzenn claims to Tobius, "No one is saying that; we're saying to make an effort to be inclusive when you can and to respond when people directly emote (even if it's to say you missed it)."

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Eamon states, "And, I think, if somebody overlooks you, ask in tells rather than assume they were being a jerk, on the flip side."

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Kinaed nods at Eamon.

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say Yes, in my case, I've been trying to read all emotes rather than multitasking a lot so that I don't miss anything in big scenes.

Raymond says, "Yes, in my case, I've been trying to read all emotes rather than multitasking a lot so that I don't miss anything in big scenes."
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say I don't reply to everyone, but I emote for everyone.

Raymond says, "I don't reply to everyone, but I emote for everyone."
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say Unless the scene is massive.

Raymond says, "Unless the scene is massive."
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Kinaed says, "I may add it to help RP Culture that if someone emotes at you, that it's courteous to respond, even if it's with a sentence about how your character doesn't notice, etc."

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Kinaed claims, "I do miss emotes -heck, I often miss some says during the OOC Chat just because of how quickly things scroll, so it's not right to assume a snub."

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Ostium claims, "(like mine just now)"

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Kinaed says, "But still, we do want to be a good game, and sadly how players behave towards one another does often make or break if the game is perceived as good."

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say Finally, might I recommend people to be wary of turning whereRP when they don't want to RP? I know it's hard, but it might be good to turn it off so that we know places where players -are- eager to RP.

Raymond states, "Finally, might I recommend people to be wary of turning whereRP when they don't want to RP? I know it's hard, but it might be good to turn it off so that we know places where players -are- eager to RP."
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Estone trails off, "I feel like there are two separate things that people are talking about here..."

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Eamon states, "Doing my best to be mindful of that. It is SERIOUSLY HARD."

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Kinaed says to Ostium, "With regards to reporting, no it wouldn't count against anyone. It's not a policy issue, it's a courtesy one. Too much discourtesy might become a policy issue, but I don't generally view myself as anyone's mother to go around wagging fingers in people's faces without good reason."

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Eamon says, "More caps than intended there."

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say Yeah, it's crazy hard, lol.

Raymond says, "Yeah, it's crazy hard, lol."
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Eamon claims, "I wish it defaulted to off, because I probably default to not seeking random scenes."

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Tobius says, "I'll do my best to be courteous and inclusive. that's all i can do. that's what bothers me about these conversations. it always feels like a demand for perfection or people get pissy"

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Estone states, "One is acknowledging people, and two is inviting/including them into your ongoing RP. And while the first is needed always, I don't feel like people should expect for the second to be a given."

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Eamon nods at Estone.

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Temi nods at Tobius.

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Fianna claims, "Pretty much exactly what Estone said, personally."

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Estone states, "Because, for example, I'll have some pretty intense one on one scenes in the Bluebird's/in public RP rooms."

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Temi states, "Your best is all we can ask, and trying to be mindful of it."

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Eamon says, "That's a good point. The second is -good- to do whenever you can, though, I think."
Kinaed says to Tobius, "It doesn't come across to me that way, at least not the way Raymond raised it."

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Fianna states, "Acknowledge always, include where appropriate."

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Kinaed says, "Sometimes it has."

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Elzenn claims to Tobius, "I think you maybe have to look at things a different way. It's important for everyone to be aware is all we're saying. We'Re not expecting you to shift everything immediately."

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Elzenn claims to Tobius, "(Or even at all; but people need to be aware of these thing that'll make everyone's time on grid a little bit better.)"

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Estone claims, "And while I'll note people coming through/doing their thing, the scene itself isn't one where we're going to go, "yeah, come sit in on this important discussion, we value your Freeman input.""

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Eamon states, "I like to err on the side of including whenever even close to appropriate, but its definitely easier when we all take responsibility to make ourselves... includable? That's not a word."

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Eamon trails off, "I would say, though..."

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say I may have worded it wrongly? I'm just saying that if you're in the Queen's Tavern and you're roleplaying with a second person, with whereRP on, and a new player arrives and emotes even if a line or two... it's sad for the new player to not emote for him.

Raymond says, "I may have worded it wrongly? I'm just saying that if you're in the Queen's Tavern and you're roleplaying with a second person, with whereRP on, and a new player arrives and emotes even if a line or two... it's sad for the new player to not emote for him."
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say I don't think that's a quest for perfection, really.

Raymond claims, "I don't think that's a quest for perfection, really."
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Eamon claims, "It's not always awesome to have an intense private discussion in a public room with whereRP on."

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say It's a quest for inclusion and to glue the new players to enjoy the game.

Raymond claims, "It's a quest for inclusion and to glue the new players to enjoy the game."
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Eamon claims, "Or in a public room, period (public meaning forces whereRP on)"

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Kinaed nods at Eamon.

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Temi says, "To be fair, intense conversations happen where they happen, can't always plan it."

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Eamon claims, "I've awkwardly walked in on some of those after seeing folks on where and thinking I could get RP."

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Eamon exclaims, "It's true!"

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Riannan states, "That's what I was going to say"

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Eamon states, "But like, based on what you -plan-."

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Fianna says, "And it's a lot more likely you'll get included if someone is having a personal, public conversation you overhear. "

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Riannan says, "That intense conversations, sometimes just occur. You don't really plan them."

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Kinaed says, "We should also separate IC and OOC a little here."

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Eamon claims, "If you expect an intense discussion, pre-emptively making sure you're not visible on where is a nice courtesy. Understanding full well it's not always doable."

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Kinaed says, "An intense, private IC conversation doesn't need to be OOCly excluding."

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emote points all his fingers and toes to /kinaed.

Raymond points all his fingers and toes to Kinaed.
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Ostium states, "If I see someone having an intense conversation I don't mind if they don't acknowledge me at all. its when its not an intense conversation that I see it as a problem."

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emote also points his fingers and toes at /ostium.

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Kinaed states to Ostium, "Yes, I think we're all generally reasonable people."

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l
A Comfortable Room
[Perfect]
A plethora of gaily coloured silk pillows with fringes and tassels
completely conceal the floor. A large pillow in the corner stands out, a
brooding black mass of velvet and fringeless. Screens of nature scenes
painted with the spare strokes of a brush that hint at and outline the
subjects, leaving much to the imagination. Behind the screens, silk
curtains and sheets painted with bright patterns hide the walls, pulled
back only around the windows that pierce the southern and western walls to
look out over a lush garden filled with an untamed riot of plants and
trees.

[ Exits: down ] [ Air exits: none ]
Malek is here.[P] [App: 4]
Gaspard is here.[P] [App: 2]
Tobius is here. [App: 1]
Leofrick is here. [App: 3]
Margaux is here. [App: 5]
Yonatan is here. [App: 2]
Ostium is here. [App: 4]
Estone is relaxing on his cloud. 'Floofy.' [App: 3]
Riannan is here. [App: 1]
Hunapo is here. [App: 2]
Tacitus is here. [App: 2]
Eamon is here. [App: 4]
Fianna is here. [App: 3]
Elzenn sits in her corner, painting all the gristle on her severed head. [App: 1]
Temi is here. [App: 5]
Takta is here. [App: 5]
Azarial is here. [App: 5]
Kinaed is here. [App: 5]

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who

Eamon Byrne rambles and roves. | http://tinyurl.com/j67akf8
Ofelia von Hartsong wears only real porcupine.
Rimilde von Rievirkrintz | http://imgur.com/vMB48Bu
Raymond Karnon: they see me hawkin', they hatin'.
Estrilda von Carmina <<< http://imgur.com/gLTtRSt >>>
Nils Mattias - http://imgur.com/gallery/JHNbu
Honor Pryce asks, please don't junk Three Cups cups!
Hunapo le Marama: If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. -Jim Dugan
Riannan dul Cross If we knew each other's secrets what comforts we s
Fianna ab Arlos drives a Chevrolet movie thea-tre.
Bertrand le Pajari
Tacitus von Kapnner
Leofrick ab Archer
Ariel le Orban | http://tinyurl.com/copvxfk
Malek ab Craston is waiting for a partayyyyy
Estone le Serlok | Anchors aweigh sailing with first light of day.
Tomas ab Jinosa stepped on a crack and broke his back
Feamanuslaewyn ab Renwap ab Renwap ab Renwap ab Renwap ab Renwap
Ostium von Demoror
[NPC] Reinald ab Lavrant
Yonatan Larke
Margaux le Rousselle says: Forget it, Marg. It's South Side.
Tobius le Darrow the devil couchie.
Brynieve de Versin ab Jinosa; honk if you love Justice!
Soren Marcosa
Gaspard dul Hargrove

[Staff] Azarial op Owen
[Staff] Elzenn is your friendly neighbourhood BAD COP.
[Staff] Takta le Byuldaire
[Staff] [AFK] Xinoe
[Staff] Temi Jewel
[Staff] Kinaed thanks those who vote to help bring new players!

System: Sat Apr 16 2016 18:43 Total People: 32
Reboot: Sat Apr 16 2016 13:11 Since Reboot: 33 Max Ever: 61

Please VOTE for TI on the links at http://ti-legacy.com

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Eamon nods.

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l
A Comfortable Room
[Perfect]
A plethora of gaily coloured silk pillows with fringes and tassels
completely conceal the floor. A large pillow in the corner stands out, a
brooding black mass of velvet and fringeless. Screens of nature scenes
painted with the spare strokes of a brush that hint at and outline the
subjects, leaving much to the imagination. Behind the screens, silk
curtains and sheets painted with bright patterns hide the walls, pulled
back only around the windows that pierce the southern and western walls to
look out over a lush garden filled with an untamed riot of plants and
trees.

[ Exits: down ] [ Air exits: none ]
Malek is here.[P] [App: 4]
Gaspard is here.[P] [App: 2]
Tobius is here. [App: 1]
Leofrick is here. [App: 3]
Margaux is here. [App: 5]
Yonatan is here. [App: 2]
Ostium is here. [App: 4]
Estone is relaxing on his cloud. 'Floofy.' [App: 3]
Riannan is here. [App: 1]
Hunapo is here. [App: 2]
Tacitus is here. [App: 2]
Eamon is here. [App: 4]
Fianna is here. [App: 3]
Elzenn sits in her corner, painting all the gristle on her severed head. [App: 1]
Temi is here. [App: 5]
Takta is here. [App: 5]
Azarial is here. [App: 5]
Kinaed is here. [App: 5]

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Ostium claims, "Realistically, if someone is having an intense conversation it makes sense they wouldn't notice someone new, so I'm fine with that."

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Kinaed claims, "It's not saying that everyone has to RP with everyone to the same degree, it's not saying emote at every dang person in a room rather than the more active players... it's just saying there's a balance here, and if we're hearing about it in the OOC Chat multiple weeks in a row, then clearly we haven't figured out the right balance and inclusive behaviors yet."

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Estone nods with Kinaed.

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Hunapo states, "Sometimes I feel like OOC chat turns into preaching at the choir. I don't think anyone here is guilty of malicious exclusion... because we all care enough to be part of discussions like this. I don't know, maybe some people here do need the reminder but I feel like we are in violent agreement."

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Takta nods at Hunapo.

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Takta claims, "I've always suspected that's true."

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Ostium agrees with Hunapo. "I see it mostly from people who aren't here, yeah."

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Takta trails off, "But the only way bad behaviors like this tend to improve is with gentle and tactful communication to those doing them, so..."

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say We can always show them with our example.

Raymond says, "We can always show them with our example."
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Kinaed claims, "So, to try to be more balanced, I think we've all agreed: turn whereRP off when a scene gets intense or when it'd be disruptive to include others. Acknowledge new entrants into a room, and if someone targets you with an emote, target them back, even if it's not speaking at them or engaging them - even if it is to say that your character is otherwise preoccupied and doesn't notice the gesture."

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Takta states, "Consider a tell to someone if they're not acknowledging you, or at least letting staff know."

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Kinaed nods at Hunapo.

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Kinaed nods at Takta.

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Elzenn claims, "Takta brings up a good point. There is a lot we can't do if we're not made openly aware. Sometimes it sucks to tell on people, but when problems become repeated and no one says anything, it's probably frustrating for everyone involved."

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Kinaed nods at Elzenn.

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Takta pontificates, "You're not 'getting them in trouble' - you're facilitating a helpful conversation for everyone!"

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Kinaed says, "I can promise not to talk to people when you raise it also. I don't mind not acting on complaints if they come with 'This is just an FYI, Kinaed, I'm not looking for help or support""

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Yonatan says, "In general I think it's good to talk to people directly in an ideally nonconfrontational way. 9 times out of 10 there is some reason either they missed something or something else was going on rather than people deliberately trying to exclude anyone"

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Riannan states, "Or at least send a tell, because I oocly have not noticed poses before. and I get a tell saying they've posed to me and I'm like oh my! And genuinely surprised."

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Yonatan claims, "Communication is the key to everything"

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Malek is idle.

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Malek is no longer idle.

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Malek has returned from AFK.

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Kinaed says, "If I get the same person doing it 20x, I might return with 'Well, you're not the first complaint, I'd really like to talk to this person if you don't mind - given how pervasive it is, they probably won't know who came to me, particularly if I wait a day or two.""

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Kinaed nods at Yonatan.

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Kinaed says, "I agree talking directly is also a good way to go about it."

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Kinaed nods at Riannan.

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Tobius says, "I'm not comfortable with this. a lot. i miss a lot, and i know it, and sometimes i simply can't help it. sometimes i play on my phone. it isn't fair that people like me that have to play on their phones a lot to have this go on and being reported to staff"

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Tobius says, "I'm not comfortable being REPORTED for a fucking MISTAKE"

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Ostium states, "Its not reporting, you would just be asked about it, from what I understand."

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Kinaed states to Tobius, "I don't know what to say to you other than I can't really see anything wrong with what players on the whole are asking of other players in this regard. I've asked to be informed if it's not happening because, as a staff member, I can't actually decide what to do unless I know or view something as an actual problem."

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Kinaed questions to Ostium, "Earlier you said you might have a topic?"

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Kinaed claims to Ostium, "Did you want to bring it up? We have about 10 minutes."

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Ostium says, "Yeah, finishing typing it out."

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Tobius states, "I need to talk to staff about this further i guess"

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Feamanuslaewyn has left the game.

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Kinaed claims to Tobius, "Happy to chat about it further in tells or in person after the meeting."

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tell margaux Hey, breaks are always, always good!
You tell Margaux le Rouselle, "Hey, breaks are always, always good!"

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Tobius states, "K"

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Ostium says, "Its a personal thing though, it really only affects people like me who are unfamiliar with MUDs in general."

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Riannan states, "Well lay it out anyways, let's see if we can help."

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Kinaed states to Ostium, "That's fine. This is a forum for everyone to bring up whatever they want."

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Kinaed nods at Riannan.

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say Yeah, bring it up! We'll try to help.

Raymond claims, "Yeah, bring it up! We'll try to help."
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Ostium sighs. "Alright."

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Ostium states, "I don't yet understand the etiquette in a culture like this. I -never- try to pressure people, but apparently even inquiring for a status update on how things are going or explaining a request further is interpreted as pressure (though I'm guilty of more than that with staff, as I'll say in a bit). However, people don't take the time to listen to me or just explain why its considered pressuring. I get treated like a pest or ignored and sometimes reported to staff for pressuring, which is something I can't stand and is making it difficult to even log on."

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Ostium states, "Once when I inquired about the status of my phome I was told not ask about requests, this was assumed to be enough for me to realize that I shouldn't ask about -all- request board posts, but it wasn't. I thought different requests were handled differently, and that perhaps my request hadn't even been read yet. I asked if someone could please take care of it, since I thought it was an easy matter to fix, and perhaps it was way behind other requests and not even read it."

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Kinaed states to Ostium, "Hmm, I think I heard about this, I'm sorry to say."

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Ostium claims, "I'm sure you did, but not from my perspective."

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say I think that basically leaving the requests there until they notice it is the way to go; they have a lot to go through. Yet, if you are feeling like not logging on for it, I'm sad about it

Raymond states, "I think that basically leaving the requests there until they notice it is the way to go; they have a lot to go through. Yet, if you are feeling like not logging on for it, I'm sad about it "
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Kinaed states, "That's right - what I heard was that you posted a Request board, then sent personal board to one staffer about it, then sent multiple tells to yet another staffer about it, then asked on visnet, all in the span of 24 hours."

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sayto ostium Creating a phome is kind of a lot of work considering they're volunteers and they also RP their own characters. I say give them time! Sometimes request take up to a week, sometimes they're faster.
Raymond says to Ostium, "Creating a phome is kind of a lot of work considering they're volunteers and they also RP their own characters. I say give them time! Sometimes request take up to a week, sometimes they're faster."
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Kinaed says, "There are seven staff members to 73 players."

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say Sometimes they might take more than a week.

Raymond claims, "Sometimes they might take more than a week."
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Ostium claims, "Ah, I forgot about the pboard. I sent two tells to Az, but received no response, so I thought he was too busy to notice them. I asked on visnet since I hadn't received a response on any other forum. A simple response of "we're aware of the request" and I would have stopped asking."

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Kinaed claims, "We try to respond within three days, Raymond."

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Riannan says, "The way I go about it, is I just let it chill for about a week or so. Then ask about it. But give them time, it just takes time to go through five million requests. oddly enough, I even feel bad asking after it, even after a week or two."

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Fianna wonders, "I don't think editing a request to make sure it wasn't missed if it's been waiting for a couple weeks is bad etiquette, necessarily, but... posting the note, then more notes, then sending tells, then taking it to public channels is probably not going to be well-received?"

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say Yeah but I don't see a problem if they take more than three days.

Raymond says, "Yeah but I don't see a problem if they take more than three days."
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Temi says, "Az also doesn't field requests, as a note. He's solely code-stuff. Telling him will likely just break his concentration from what he's trying to do, if he notices."

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Takta claims, "Most of us have a pretty negative reaction to being asked, especially if it's been less than a week."

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Fianna states, "Worth noting, if you put up a request note, they received it. It can be automatically assumed they received it. No need to clarify repeatedly."

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Ostium says, "See, I wasn't aware of this, and nobody told me."

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Takta claims, "I'm not too bugged if you check in when it's a week old - that's fair, that's a decent time."

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Takta says, "But generally, as Fianna says, it's there - we know about it."

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Takta grins.

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Elzenn claims, "We're not saying requests don't get lost. Sometimes it can get -very- clogged and things slip, but we have to ask for a reasonable time frame."

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Ostium claims, "And know I know this! So in the future I know how to conduct myself."

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Kinaed states, "I don't mind following up a request that has been up three days."

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Kinaed claims, "But if you post it on the Request Board, please wait 3 days."

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Ostium states, "It was being treated like I knew about it, and was asking just to annoy staff that bothered me."

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Ostium says, "It also applies to players, not just staff."

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Kinaed states, "If you send a tell and get a 'please post this on the request board' please do so. It means that the staff member is too busy to handle it or requires more information, etc."

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Elzenn states, "And we do try to go through the board as a whole when we can to try and flag outliers and get them done, a gentle bump (on the board itself) is sometimes all you need if it's been an actual while."

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Ostium claims, "That one thing wasn't the issue, I understand the board now."

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say I hate that I suggest editing helpfiles for everything, but maybe we can put that in the helpfiles somewhere so that staff can assist players to it?

Raymond wonders, "I hate that I suggest editing helpfiles for everything, but maybe we can put that in the helpfiles somewhere so that staff can assist players to it?"
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Ostium states, "Its the idea that I'm pressuring people when I don't know better, and I'm simply asking for an update."

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say The whole 'wait 3 days/1 week before' thing.

Raymond states, "The whole 'wait 3 days/1 week before' thing."
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Takta claims to Ostium, "You've been told now, so please remember."

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help requests
No help on that word. Perhaps you were looking for the following:
inform Request

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help request
Helpfile for Request

Class: Culture
Guidelines and How-to for the Request Board:

1) Type board request to switch your OOC board to the Request board.

2) Type note write to begin a note.

3) Title your note something informative and address it to staff, rather
than to all.

4) Please only post Phome requests, RPA attempts, Background connections or
Help File rewrites/additions.

5) Give the staff a few days (or more, if it's involved!) To get around to
it.

NOTES:

- Always feel free to ask a staff member if you are unsure where your note
should be posted.

(Subject area: information Last modified: Thu Mar 6 01:09:27 2014)


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Ostium declares, "I know now, but that wasn't my point at all!"

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Kinaed asks of Ostium, "You've said that you were just looking for an update multiple times, we've explained why staff felt pressured and laid out procedures to avoid it in the future. I am not certain what more you're looking for? "

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Margaux states, "He wants to make sure the same doesn't happy to the next newbie that doesn't know the etiquette."

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Ostium claims, "My issue is that people assume I know the culture and I know better than to 'pressure' people, instead of just telling me they consider it pressure so I can stop."

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Fianna claims, "Devil's advocate here... The visnet message wasn't asking for an update."

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hist visnet
4:30 PM April 16: (visnet) Player Soren: Can i got back to chargen?
4:30 PM April 16: (visnet) Staff Elzenn: You may!
4:30 PM April 16: (visnet) Player Soren: Yay! thanks
4:33 PM April 16: (visnet) Player Honor: If you saw someone junk
something, could you potentially, uh, RPA to dig it out of the trash?
4:34 PM April 16: (visnet) Staff Takta: I don't see why not.
4:49 PM April 16: (visnet) Player Tobius: When's the ooc meeting start?
4:49 PM April 16: (visnet) Staff Takta: In an hour and 15 - 6 pm EST
now thanks to DST
4:50 PM April 16: (visnet) Player Tobius: Ah. thanks!
5:19 PM April 16: (visnet) Player Romeo: If someone's name is listed
twice on the pay list, are they getting paid twice, or is this just a
duplicate error?
5:19 PM April 16: (visnet) Staff Takta: Getting paid twice, most likely.
5:20 PM April 16: (visnet) Player Romeo: Ah.
5:31 PM April 16: (visnet) Staff Kinaed: OOC Chat in 30 min,
everyone! Please come or bring an alt if you can.
5:52 PM April 16: (visnet) Staff Kinaed: Is there anyone else who
would like to attend this week's OOC Chat? If yes, please send me a tell!
5:57 PM April 16: (visnet) Staff Kinaed: Is there anyone else who
wants to come to the OOC Chat?
6:00 PM April 16: (visnet) Staff Kinaed: The OOC Chat is beginning.

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Ostium claims, "That was a seperate issue, as I said."

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Ostium states, "Related, but seperate."

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Fianna muses, "It's where pressuring came up, though, right?"

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Ostium claims, "No, only the most recent case."

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Ostium states, "Its happened multiple times in different ways."

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Eamon says, "If this is coming up a lot for you, it might not be MUD etiquette, but how you relate to people in general."

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Fianna states, "Ehh. The first time might've been the point to learn it."

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say I think, Ostium, that generally our culture is to pet and brush our silken gloved fingers on our dear staff because they are doing a lot for our hobby and that asking for an update after 24 hour is being unrealistic to the fact that they have to sort through a lot of requests and recommend requests, plus coding, plus adding stuff.

Raymond claims, "I think, Ostium, that generally our culture is to pet and brush our silken gloved fingers on our dear staff because they are doing a lot for our hobby and that asking for an update after 24 hour is being unrealistic to the fact that they have to sort through a lot of requests and recommend requests, plus coding, plus adding stuff."
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Kinaed says to Margaux, "Honestly, I don't think the newbie angle is really the problem. In an office environment, if someone did the same thing, they'd probably get the same response."

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Eamon claims, "If somebody says they feel pressured, good thing to do is always to apologize and back off and let it go, whatever it is."

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Ostium says, "The way I relate to people is fine in -every- other place I've been. This is the first time its been an issue."

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Ostium claims, "But I'm tired of this. Forget it."

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Riannan chuckles and nods at Raymond in agreement. "Totally agreed!"

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tell ostium If you want to talk about it, feel free to talk to me about it! I'm eager to try to help you get adapted to the culture.
You tell Ostium von Demoror, "If you want to talk about it, feel free to talk to me about it! I'm eager to try to help you get adapted to the culture."

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Kinaed states, "I think that the overall consensus on this topic is clear, and I hope we can move on as I don't see anything further coming from it."

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Gaspard is idle.

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Ostium von Demoror replies to you, "Thanks, I really appreciate that."

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emote nods to /kinaed.

Raymond nods to Kinaed.
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Gaspard is no longer idle.
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Tacitus is idle.

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Gaspard wonders, "Could I get a port out, Kinky?"

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Kinaed wonders, "Okay, we're 10 minutes over the hour. Does anyone have any plugs they want to throw up?"

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Tacitus is no longer idle.
Tacitus has returned from AFK.

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Gaspard has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]

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emote is out of plugs, he only has buzzards.

Raymond is out of plugs, he only has buzzards.
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Elzenn claims, "Visit Raymond with your Buzzy the Bastard Buzzard."

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Elzenn waves a velvet doll of a red-breasted buzzard with a mottled head.

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Tobius would like to stay after the meeting

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Fianna waggles buzzard at Raymond.

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Kinaed says, "Okay."

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Yonatan is idle.

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Kinaed claims to Tobius, "The command I use puts everyone back, but I'll retrans you here soon after."

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Tobius states, "K"

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Riannan declares, "We're being booted!"

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Elzenn says to Riannan, "Alas. Onward to more RP."

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say Don't give my boy a heart attack please

Raymond says, "Don't give my boy a heart attack please "
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Kinaed states, "Please vote for TI "

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Kinaed says, "Thank you for attending, everyone, and keeping cool heads through some interesting discussions."

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Riannan pontificates, "Off we go in to the abyss!"

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Kinaed exclaims, "Okay, until next week. Thanks again for attending, everyone!"

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Tacitus has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]
Malek has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]
Tobius has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]
Leofrick has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]
Margaux has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]
Ostium has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]
Estone has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]
Riannan has been transferred out by Kinaed. [OOC]

[Voxumo]

Cookiemonster, in the future might I strongly suggest trying to clean your log up a bit? It is really hard for people trying to catch up on it having to find the meaningful information scattered throughout all the clutter.

Here's what I do to avoid all that clutter.
Turn off prompt. This is done via simply typing prompt, and it removes all this, [RPXP Gain: none] [HP:perfect MV:fresh P:walk] (INDECENT)(dirty)(Diremote)(R), which is 80% of the clutter.
Turn off ooc, visnet, guild channels. Again this helps with clutter.
Avoid tells and use of commands such as Look, or Who. Both of those commands create huge walls of text generally and when not removed from the log, clutter it immensely.

[CookieMonster]

I'm sorry! I will definitely turn off my prompt and my ooc all other channels the next time. It seemed readable under my eyes.