Log of OOC Meeting 8/31/2013

[Atholos]

Forsythe states, "Ok, logging now."

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A Comfortable Room
[Pleasant]
A plethora of gaily coloured silk pillows with fringes and tassels
completely conceal the floor. A large pillow in the corner stands out, a
brooding black mass of velvet and fringeless. Screens of nature scenes
painted with the spare strokes of a brush that hint at and outline the
subjects, leaving much to the imagination. Behind the screens, silk
curtains and sheets painted with bright patterns hide the walls, pulled
back only around the windows that pierce the southern and western walls to
look out over a lush garden filled with an untamed riot of plants and
trees.

[ Exits: -down- ]
(24) The Cnotes (Character Notes) Spec lies here. (southeastern corner)
A towering, muscular man with braided black hair is here. [App: 1]
A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock is sitting in the cockpit of his mech named La-Z-Boy. [App: 5]
A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male is seated at the bar, mulling something over. [App: 2]
Takta is here. [App: 4]
You hear a strange humming coming from him.
Temi is here. [App: 5]
Azarial is here. [App: 5]

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Temi pontificates, "Excellent. Okay!"

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Takta says, "Hmm, I don't think I have staff topics."

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Temi states, "Well, we'll start wit my update then."

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Takta says, "One I might ask about, but it's small."

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Temi says, "I've been working head-down on herbalism preparation stuff."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock cheers.

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Temi claims, "I've got all the base skeleton objects created, excepting decorative flowers. Aand... the skeleton for craft recipes. Not any of the messaging or ingredients yet"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male questions, "Will this most recent update to herbalism include poisons?"

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A towering, muscular man with braided black hair states, "The skullduggery comes out :P"

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Temi claims, "But if you want to check craft_ herb -all... they have names! Some of them may be adapted still. Kin reserved right of refusal on names and I haven't heard back an okay from her yet."

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Temi claims, "Yes, poisons are -totally- included."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male says, "Yissssss"

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock high-fives A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male high-fives a raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock.

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Temi grins.

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[OOC] Flailingman: "Is the ooc chat goin on?"

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Temi states, "If you haven't seen the spec yet, I can show you, though it's not really changed since I showed it a few OOC meetings ago."

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[OOC] Temi: "It is. You coming?"

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[OOC] Azarial: "Yes"

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[OOC] Flailingman: "Yes please."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male states, "Yeah def"

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A towering dark skinned man has been transferred in by Temi. [OOC]

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "Small group."

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Temi gives an orphan-shaped spice cookie iced with a dark mask to a towering dark skinned man.

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Takta declaims, "Yep, quieter tonight!"

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Temi claims, "It is, yeah. Meetings are never quite as big when Kin can't come, I think."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock yells, "LOUD NOISES!!!!"

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Forsythe says, "Of course, right when I do the OOC meeting something comes up. I'll leave it running for the log."

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Forsythe says, "I should be back soonish."

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Temi states to a towering dark skinned man, "To catch you up, I'm working on herbalism. Take a peek preview at craft_ herb -all"

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You are now in (AFK) mode.

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Temi has created an Herbalism Spec[1].

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Temi gives an Herbalism Spec to A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male studies Cnotes (Character Notes) Spec.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male looks at an Herbalism Spec in his hands.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male looks at a book in his hands.

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "Oh wow."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes has been transferred in by Temi. [OOC]

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Temi gives an orphan-shaped spice cookie iced with a dark mask to a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says OOCly, "Can I get another copy? see what it looks like?"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male says, "A lot of dependance on the player being cool about it."

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A towering dark skinned man studies Cnotes (Character Notes) Spec.

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A towering dark skinned man studies Cnotes (Character Notes) Spec.

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Temi states to a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes, "And to catch you up too, I'm working on herbalism. Take a peek preview at craft_ herb -all"

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Temi has created an Herbalism Spec[10].

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Temi drops the following:
(10) an Herbalism Spec

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Takta claims, "Yeah... ultimately we have to trust in our players for systems like this."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male looks at a book in his hands.

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Temi says, "If anyone wants to peek and hasn't yet, there's more copies."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes gives Cnotes (Character Notes) Spec to Temi.

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Azarial claims, "The players have been pretty cool about a lot of things. I feel it is well palced."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock gets an Herbalism Spec.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male claims, "Though I do like the fact that this gives players with high int/wis something to do. This sniff command."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock studies an Herbalism Spec.

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Temi says, "We think we can trust them to play out this sort of thing, and the idea is that for the most part, everything should be fun to RP"

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Temi trails off, "Of course... some people will have more fun with wandering around in a confused daze than others..."

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Temi glances over at Takta.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock studies Cnotes (Character Notes) Spec.

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Temi says, "But hopefully nothing should be miserable for the RPer"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male grins.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock studies an Herbalism Spec.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male looks at a book in his hands.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male looks at a book in his hands.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male claims, "Now -thats- interesting. Addiction."

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Temi says, "So, that's my update. Will be continuing to work on filling it out.. I have all the ingredients planned for the most part to start filling them into the cedit recipes myself."

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Temi wonders, "Okay, Az you ready for your update?"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male drops an Herbalism Spec.

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Takta grins at Temi.

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Temi states, "Okay, Takta then! Az may be figuring dinner or heir chasing."

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Azarial claims, "Mmmm. mostly cnotes this wek"

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Temi nods.

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Azarial claims, "About a third done; some basic testing in progress as we speak."

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Temi claims, "And we still have leftover cnote specs, if you haven't seen them yet. Basically, it's desc notes with titles and searchability and better saving mechanisms."

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Azarial says, "I put in a few small thigns so temi could start herbalism; the rest of the systems will come in as cnotes are completed."

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Takta is a tad slow as I am converting a PC's desc notes over. Sloooooowly.

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Azarial states, "A few bugs, a few typos, stared at finishing cutting wind. not sure where that;s going to go priority-wise."

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Azarial states, "More boxes. >_>"

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Temi nods.

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Temi asks, "Okay, thanks, Az. Takta then?"

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Temi grins.

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Takta exclaims, "Okay!"

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Takta says, "I've been actually addressing requests and typos for once (sorry if any of you suffered from requests/typos that I let sit for a very long time...) and also, working on the sewers."

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Takta states, "The basic skeleton that will allow them to serve as a way to get around the city is nearly complete, about 20 rooms remaining out of 120."

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Temi beams to Takta. "And one of the main causeways completely done as of last night with some help, right?"

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Takta states, "After that, all the interesting nooks and crannies and suchlike will be added. I could probably predict it going live before the end of October, at this point."

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Takta grins at Temi.

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Takta states, "Indeed! A player nicely furnished me with three usable descriptions and got QP for it."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male claims, "Dude, nice. New sewer system is gonna be ballin."

Takta claims, "You can do the same! At this point, I'd actually like ideas for secret areas/descs/lore/anything of that sort."

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Takta says, "More than descs for the main segment."

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Takta says, "So keep that in mind. If there's something you want to see in the sewer that's thematic. QP for ideas I end up using."

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Takta pontificates, "That's about it!"

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock nudges a drawing of a sewer room with a rodent corpse toward Takta, along with an envelope full of silver.

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Temi muses, "Okay! I think we're missing out on any other staffers... no updates filed away for them I'm not aware of, right?"

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Takta states, "Nope. Mady's still on blacksmithing, but away this weekend. Delilah is working on her quest for October."

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Temi states, "And Kin was focusing on getting her quest last night finished up, and then holding that."

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Temi muses, "So! How's RP for everybody this week? Any concerns or high points or anything?"

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "I think concerns were voiced last night during the event."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male nods to a towering dark skinned man.

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A towering dark skinned man questions, "Maybe bring those to light and discuss?"

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Temi nods.

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Temi wonders, "Which were those?"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male trails off, "I thought it was fun, but I think the main concern was 'why do mages always jack social events?' To me, its like show and tell, being able to show off your powers at one of those, but..."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male states, "Apparently to others, nosomuch."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock has reconnected.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says OOCly, "Sorry"

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Temi nods.

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Takta trails off, "Well, one question to ask first-off..."

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Takta muses, "How many people really mind when that happens?"

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "I dont see that an issue."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock queries, "What did i miss?"

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Temi claims, "The mage involved definitely asked Kinaed before starting in on that."

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "I think when a group not the people putting on the event take control of the pace of the event. "

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A towering dark skinned man states, "Then it goes from what it is soppose to be to what they want it to be"

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Takta claims to a raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock, "Questions of if people mind when mages hijack social events."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male says, "I kinda figured that it was all worked out beforehand, yeah. Honestly... Things like that happen. Its why mages are hated. Is why they get a bad name."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male claims, "IC'ly, that is."

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "Nobles cause that disrupt mainly though even more so than mages atleast that I have seen."

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A towering, muscular man with braided black hair says, "I missed the mage stuff to be honest, but I was bored to tears as a non-gentry/noble. I got not a single response from an INPC, PC, noble, or anyone I tried to interact with. I gave up and left."

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A towering, muscular man with braided black hair states, "I was tempted to club all your bloody horses to death in the square :P"

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Temi grins.

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A towering dark skinned man points to a towering, muscular man with braided black hair, "That is another point. that was brought up over OOC chat aswell.

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Takta claims to a towering, muscular man with braided black hair, "It's often hard for people to catch every emote they get in scenes like that, to be fair."

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Takta claims, "If you ever tried to talk to my PC who was present, I -totally- missed it."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock grumbles

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Temi nods.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states, "Was going to say about the hijacking, it happens and we honestly come to expect it"

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A towering dark skinned man states, "I understand that nobles have the Im better than you on ever aspect of life attitude but still they dont need to take control of major events like last night."

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Azarial claims, "Kin tends to lose things in the scroll as well."

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A towering, muscular man with braided black hair says, "I won't name names, that's not really kosher. But, that's also why I prefer small groups/rooms for RP. people response/interact more/better"

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes states, "Don't paint nobles with such a broad brush, towering dark skinned dude. Comments like yours are, quite frankly, why I shy away from RP: I don't want to screw others' fun. But when we do get out and about, I can say with sincerity that (at least on the player end of things), no one wants to stomp fun."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male says, "See... IC'ly you have to understand - Nobles -are- better then us."

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Takta nods at a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male states, "I mean, its seriously... Harkness, is it covered in the Erra Pater? I don't remmeber."

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Takta claims, "I didn't see any noble trying to take control of an event; I saw nobles trying to RP according to their thematic place in the world."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states, "I actually stayed in the sidelines of the whole thing last night"
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Temi says, "Is there anything that we can do to make freemen and whatnot feel more welcome to set the scene at big events too? Nobles don't have anymore right to a scene than lower class folks, and I don't think they try to take over, just don't shy away from saying things in a thematic manner."

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Forsythe questions, "Ok, back. What topic are we on?"

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A Comfortable Room
[Chilly]
A plethora of gaily coloured silk pillows with fringes and tassels
completely conceal the floor. A large pillow in the corner stands out, a
brooding black mass of velvet and fringeless. Screens of nature scenes
painted with the spare strokes of a brush that hint at and outline the
subjects, leaving much to the imagination. Behind the screens, silk
curtains and sheets painted with bright patterns hide the walls, pulled
back only around the windows that pierce the southern and western walls to
look out over a lush garden filled with an untamed riot of plants and
trees.

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An Herbalism Spec is here. (northern edge)
( 9) An Herbalism Spec is here. (northeastern corner)
(24) The Cnotes (Character Notes) Spec lies here. (southeastern corner)
[AFK] A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes is here. [App: 3]
A towering dark skinned man is here. [App: 2]
A towering, muscular man with braided black hair is here. [App: 1]
A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock is sitting in the cockpit of his mech named La-Z-Boy. [App: 5]
A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male is seated at the bar, mulling something over. [App: 2]
Takta is here. [App: 4]
You hear a strange humming coming from him.
Temi is here. [App: 5]
Azarial is here. [App: 5]

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Temi claims, "We're discussing how to make big events more inclusive of everyone, I think."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes states, "I actually don't even know what the quest was about, since I was at work. But, if you have Random Dude and High-Ranking Reeve, and the latter wants to assert authority - that's kind of her trope to do, and it's expected of her. I think as Temi says it might be better to empower freemen and non-guildies."

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A towering, muscular man with braided black hair says, "I think maybe because it was my first event, and everyone made it seem like a big deal, that there would be something for everyone."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock claims to Temi, "It's really up to the player, last night I was on during the event someone mentioned in ooc they wanted to rp, but they weren't a noble, as far as I knew, that whole event wasn't necessarily just for nobles"

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Takta trails off, "Well, one thing I should say..."

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Takta claims, "The event was originally planned to have a lot more content."

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Takta states, "But OOC time pressures led to scrapping some elements of the event that would have actively drawn ALL participants in."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes trails off, "Probably something we can all agree on is that for every event, if there's an "intended audience," whether it's IC (Knight-centric tournament) or OOC (there will be riddles; there won't be combat), it should be stated up front, perhaps..."

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Takta claims, "This happens sometimes - we try to do our best, but hell, we don't get paid for this. *grin* "

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Temi nods.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male nods to a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes. "Yeah, maybe a brief descriptor about the event, in the posting of it? That might help, in the future. I dunno... Personally I enjoyed it. I didn't really RP until the last bit, but still.

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Takta states, "It was described explicitly as a charity ball."

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A towering, muscular man with braided black hair says, "I definitely agree with the "intended audience" notification sentiment. When I can find some RP, it's usually pretty great. I really like it. When I can't, I keep wondering how long till day phase when I can go out and kill another thing, craft, spam where and who 100 times."

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Temi says, "I think Kin did express fancy ball in the invites. But we can try to make it more clear."

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "I dont think that was an issue this time as both temi and takta said it said ball in the note."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes muses to Temi, "True. I didn't get an invite, so I'm not sure, but i'd say that... charity ball that turns into art auction is different from a charity ball that turns into a murder mystery, y'konw?"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male claims, "Yeah. I'm just trying to play Devils Advocate here. I actually kinda like it when mages get thier mage on, its nice - And I think that him/her asking about it beforehand was good."

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Temi nods at a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes.

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Takta muses to a towering dark skinned man, "Can I ask for a bit more clarification as to how the event felt taken over by the nobility?"

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Temi queries, "How specific of a notification are you guys interested in?"

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Takta says, "I know you won't want to name names or anything."

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Azarial has gone AFK.

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[OOC] Sharkbait: "Hi."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states, "Am I the only one that didn't see "fancy ball" as " nobles only"? I saw the charity event as an oppurtunity for everyone to show up, nobles could prove they were helping the church, the other classes could come up and do the same."

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Takta says to a towering, muscular man with braided black hair, "And yeah, it's always hard for people off the 'regular' schedule. :("

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[OOC] Temi: "Hey. OOC chat?"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male claims to a raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock, "Yeah, thats kinda what I was thinking too."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes says to Temi, "For me, I'd want to have a brief IC sketch, along with pertinent OOC information. Like, if it's combat-related, that impacts what character I bring. If death is on the table, I'd want to know too. And I'd also want to know the expected number of rooms available, because at least for me, I tend to opt out of scenes with 10 folks in the room at once, but if it's, say, 5 people hunting after a target, that's a whole different story."

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Temi nods.

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes states to Temi, "Basically, "This module is designed for a level 5-7 party of 4-6 adventurers." :P"

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Takta snerks.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says, "Rofl"

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Temi queries, "So like... for November, I'm planning a plot with politics, espionage and war games, but probably not heavy combat. And it will be spread out over about a week's time with different small group scenes and maybe one large big gathering?"

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "Srry ment for that to be here"

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims, "Exactly! And, for that matter, remind me to talk about the quest(s) I'm planning too; I've missed the last few OOC chats and forgot."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock claims, "Due to my playing devices, I'm like Gav, prefer 5-7 people"

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Temi nods.

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[OOC] Sharkbait: "Yes."

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man has been transferred in by Temi. [OOC]

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Temi gives an orphan-shaped spice cookie iced with a dark mask to a bulky, rounded young Tubori man.

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man queries, "How much did I miss?"

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Temi claims, "Missed the staff updates, and we were just talking about concerns about the event, and how to make it more friendly and inclusive for everyone."

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man states, "Otay"

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man sits down and rests.

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[Action: a bulky, rounded young Tubori man is here, actually holding up the roof.]

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Takta trails off, "Speaking of quests..."

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Takta claims, "I'm on the roster for September and still pondering what I want to do."

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Temi states, "Obviously, we'd like to be able to accomodate smaller groups, but we don't want to exclude people by dint of only being able to support a few people."

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Takta declaims, "So far the only feedback I've had is 'combat quest!'"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male states, "Eww."

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Temi states, "So it takes more staff work to manage it like that.. but yeah, let's talk what you guys would like to see from Takta next month"

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Takta claims to A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male, "Geez, thanks. *grin*"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male smirks.

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A towering, muscular man with braided black hair says, "No more flushing gators into the sewers :P"

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims, "I've requested each of the subordinate guilds put together a quest for a weeklong (OOC week) celebration. Takta could help with that, or add an event to that week so that it really is action-packed. :)"

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Takta states, "Well, helping with other folks' quests probably doesn't count anyway. *grin*"

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Takta claims to a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes, "Though remind me to talk to you about some of that."

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Forsythe says, "I'd like to see a quest that is more than going around and slicing people up. Something along the lines of the flood quest there was."

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Temi claims, "I think Delilah's current thoughts are in that direction."

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Temi says, "She's got October."

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Takta states, "Note the Flood Quest was a full-staff quest, so it can't be quite THAT ambitious, as well."

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Takta states, "It took all of us playing like 16 hours a day to run the Flood Quest - the next HUGE quest like that is December."

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Takta states, "So what I do will need to be a bit smaller-scale, something that lasts between 1-3 days or so and doesn't demand multiple staffers."

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Temi wonders, "What is the thing that's 'more than' running around killing stuff that you want to see? Puzzle solving? Group RP?"

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A towering, muscular man with braided black hair says, "Small-group RP I can't say enough good things about. "

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male grins.

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Forsythe says, "Puzzle solving would be great I think."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes states, "What I'd love is something that contemplates having 2 or 3 small groups of people -- maybe have the option to link up at the end to "solve" the quest. But it's very, very hard for me (and I think others) to RP much when we're dealing with a shit-ton of people in one room, plus waiting for turns... takes forever."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male claims, "The problem with all of this is that you guys are asking imms to do something that could be done on your own. You guys know we can host events too, right? A la Fight Night, and others."

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Takta claims, "Multiple small groups and puzzle solving is awfully hard to reconcile, but it's possible."

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Takta says, "Multiple small groups is also the single hardest thing to do running a plot as a single staffer."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says OOCly, "Sorry hotel internet sucks on saturdays"

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes says, "It might be doable if you outsource some of the heavy lifting to a PC, who handles some prepackaged rpechoes and "wrangles" their party."

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Temi states, "Well, I'll take on a group if you have stuff plotted out ahead of time, too, Takta."

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Takta claims to a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes, "You can never prepackage for what PCs'll do. *grin*"

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says OOCly, "Copy/paste crashed me"

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Temi states, "I try to take a back seat in quests with my characters anyways, so I'm available for things like that."

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Takta claims to Temi, "Awesome, so that might help."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states, "I've actually had an idea for an event sort of thing, wouldn't be combat related, but death is high probability"

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Takta exclaims to a raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock, "Please consider STing it! "

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock shifts about, " I don't think it would be st-able, it was an idea about a very specific plague....."

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Takta says, "Running events is hard, and it's very much an additional responsibility on top of what staff already has to do. No matter what you do, somebody's gonna not find it up their alley, which can be very disspiriting. So the more people who are happy to share the 'plot' burden, the more plot we've got and the more different types of events are out there."

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Takta claims to a raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock, "Hmmm, talk to me after this."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock nods to Takta, " K."

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Forsythe states, "I've had ideas before of putting things in the fountains if that helps any."

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Temi states, "And for mine in November, I'm planning on spreading it out over a weekish, and it will be a lot of the elements on your own time, so that should hopefully allow for some small group things."

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A towering dark skinned man says, "All my idea's cause mayham and chaos."

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Temi says, "Well, we do love mayhem and chaos."

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A towering dark skinned man states, "But apparently cause awesome RP at the end of it all for many different groups."

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Takta claims, "STing can be a great way to create mayhem and chaos without necessarily losing an actual PC, too."

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Takta grins.

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A towering dark skinned man wonders, "Where is the fun in that Takta?"

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock trails off, "Wh .... okay i was going to say the same thing as banion :P"

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A towering dark skinned man says, "Everyone of my awesome chaos/mayham have led to a PC passing."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims, "I'd be happy to do that. My ST idea fizzled, admittedly, because my timing is so unreliable. But like, if there were an NPC available to be played after this meeting -- I'd totally do random shit and get cut up, or somesuch."

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Takta says, "I'd like to see us shifting towards offering NPCs to folks."

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Takta states, "Like the Hillbeast on a smaller scale."

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Takta claims, "Cause there are definitely people for whom losing a character is a big reason not to cause trouble."

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A towering dark skinned man says, "Many of the villians"

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A towering dark skinned man frowns

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A towering dark skinned man states, "Thats what Im going to do. put a call out to see who wants to cause chaos with me."

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Forsythe claims, "It'd totally wreak some stuff up if I could have access to an NPC and not lose my character."

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Takta claims, "Maybe we can see if that's a policy we want to implement, for STing."

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Takta asks, "It's 8 now, though... anybody have other topics?"

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Temi nods at Takta.

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Temi asks, "Yeah, anything else while we're here?"

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock has reconnected.

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Forsythe claims, "I have one that I've been meaning to talk about if it's not too much trouble."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims, "Well, as a note: 'causing chaos' isn't a good, per se. Many times that devolves into things that a lot of us have seen before. I'd suggest thinking about psychological terror, for instance, or chatting OOCly with some of the previous villains to see what they've done or thought about."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says OOCly, "Grrr"

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(visnet) Player Araelin: So if there's 20 people on and 7 on the where list, does that necessarily mean that 13 people don't want to be found?

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock is always up for a Daravi Invasion.

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(visnet) Player Forsythe: OOC meeting.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male chuckles.

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(visnet) Player Araelin: Isn't this rp-enforced?

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A towering dark skinned man states to a raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock, "December"

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(visnet) Staff Temi: Ahh, we're just finishing up with OOC chat, yeah. It's a weekly gathering of folks run by the staff to update what we're doing.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says, "Sweet"

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A towering dark skinned man claims to a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes, "I got plenty of ways to terror and stir things up to keep them from not being stale like they are now."

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(visnet) Player Araelin: Isn't there a website for that?

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims to a towering dark skinned man, "Stale is only your opinion, mind you. That said, I urge you to consider what I said about chatting with folks who have been in your shoes previously."

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(visnet) Staff Takta: This lets us get player opinions on current topics.

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(visnet) Player Edward: Well, kinda. But its a lot more fluid to do it here, seeing as how quite a few players don't have accounts on the website.

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(visnet) Staff Temi: There is, for sure, but it's an optional thing that Kinaed started so people feel like that can be heard. It's completely voluntary and off-grid so it doesn't disrupt RP for folks.

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(visnet) Player Forsythe: Of course, a lot of people come so there's usually barely anyone open for RP a lot of the time.

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(visnet) Staff Takta: But it's only 1 hour long and is ending just about now.

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Takta states, "Everybody's tastes in villains and quests is different."

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A towering dark skinned man nods at Takta.

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Forsythe questions, "Would it be ok for me to just start up a conversation here that I hope to be pretty short?"

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Takta claims, "Whatever you do, some folks'll love it, some folks'll get annoyed. *grin*"

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Temi muses to Forsythe, "Well, what's your thing?"

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Temi nods at Forsythe.

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man is idle.

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Forsythe claims, "So sadly I haven't been around for the last couple of OOC meetings and I've been wanting to talk about one of the realy active topics, that being 'Petty Crimes'."

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[OOC] Halfie pokes about.

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Temi nods at Forsythe.

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(visnet) Player Araelin: What's the help file concerning the newbie character reroll privilege? I saw it before.

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(visnet) Player Banion: Help reroll

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Forsythe says, "So I noticed people had a bit to say about it so I thought I'd try and discuss it here a bit."

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(visnet) Player Araelin: Huh. Thanks.

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(visnet) Aide Marisa: Possibly help policy chargen?

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(visnet) Player Araelin: Yeah, it's help policy chargen.

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Temi asks, "What are you thinking about it?"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male says, "I think that the problem is people's definition of 'petty.' I, for instance, have spoken with characters who wholeheartedly believe that our setting makes murder a petty crime."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male says, "Like, no joke."

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Temi claims, "I think sort of what the topic came down to is that it's hard for their to be petty criminals at this point because the Brotherhood seems to be closely intertwined with magery."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male nods to Temi.

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Forsythe states, "I'd have to agree with that as well."

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Takta claims, "Yeah. It seemed to be a wide-held belief, that one."

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Temi states, "Well, for the official staff definition, we do have help laws summary - if it doesn't have a capital offense star, you shouldn't be dying for it. And murder is capital at least in some cases, yeah."

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Takta states, "I'd love to see it official policy in theme and helpfiles that the BHood does not ever willingly accept magery, just like any other guild."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes states, "I'd prefer a partial or wholesale reimagining of the guild entirely. But that was my post on the forums; it doesn't need to be rehashed here... I think something, if not that, but something, that would add to their suvivability would help."

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Forsythe states, "Well there's sorta of a problem with that, because one of the BHs most memorable Tene's was openly a mage."

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[Atholos]

Takta claims, "Right, hence why they changed. *grin*"

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says, "I can't say I agree with that, but people should at least pretend that the Bhood doesn't like mages."

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Temi nods.

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Temi states, "We have no issues with mages in the Brotherhood. Or mages in any other guild. The problem is really open mages, and the guild being accepting of it."

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Takta nods at Temi.

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male nods at Temi.

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Temi claims, "That should really only be the manus... any other guild and they -should- have to keep it quiet that they're a mage."

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man claims, "Mages should be like, a spec ops version of the brotherhood."

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man states, "Not the main members."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock nods to Temi, " the most recent happening, a mage was arrested, then released after punishment THEN revealed lves as a magethemes

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock asks, "What did my ipad just say?"

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Temi says, "I was just sort of wondering that."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states, "Should have been : THEN revealed themselves as a mage"

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Temi nods.

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A towering dark skinned man states, "I think some of the issues is that the manus dont want to do anything they join the brotherhood to get a good run since they will come out and openly do things. (past manus had a rule of not allowed to cause trouble)"

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states, "The biggest problem i've seen, and this is as a prisoner during the great capture fiasco, criminals act too accepting of a mage when incarcerated with them, which according to the Church is worse than Magery, if they just act all spooked out and whatnot, that solves that problem"

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Takta states, "Hmmm. It's true the Manus tends to eschew violent action, especially violent action sans purpose."

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Temi claims, "That's not in the guild definition though, more of a player definition thing."

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Takta nods at Temi.

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A towering dark skinned man wonders, "Personally isnt the manus sopposed to try and over throw the church for the happenings of the consolidation?"

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Takta claims, "It's not very clear what exactly the Manus's specific role is in theme."

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Temi nods.

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A towering dark skinned man states to Temi, "But if the manus is ordering no attacks or destruction whats the point of that guild then? we can all tea party without being in a guild."

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Forsythe says, "What I think is best is if more people seeked out the BH to do stuff for them. I mean, if you want something you can't get then you don't ask a street rat, you ask someone who can get it to you swiftly and efficiently with no questions asked."

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Azarial states, "Seems to be a great place to meet other maegs adn die as a group. less lonely going down the river to the lots i guess."

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Azarial says to Forsythe, "Bounties"

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Takta claims to Forsythe, "Ultimately, the Thieves need to drive themselves more than counting on folks to approach them.."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes states, "The problem is that, like the Manus, the BH doesn't have a mission statement either. I still think the idea of defining them ex ante as "thieves" isn't the right approach, but people might disagree."

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Takta states, "Got to actively seek out criminal and money-making opportunities."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male states, "Yeah, but thats a guild change, in and of itself. THat requires a strong Tenebrae with clear goals."

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Takta says to a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes, "Honestly, I'm quite on board with your idea, personally."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male claims, "SOmething that I feel they haven't had in a long time."

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Temi says, "It's been something we've let the Manus decide a lot on their own. What their role in it is. But Kin's been pretty clear she intends the Manus to be the only genuinely mage-friendly guild."

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Takta claims, "I feel it gives the Thieves a heart, a mission, etc."

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Temi nods.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock claims, "Honestly, I've always thought the mission statement was up to the Tene, and if the Hood doesn't like it, they can always make them disappear"

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Temi claims, "It really has been."

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Takta states, "Yeah, and... that hasn't worked."

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A towering dark skinned man says, "Just my 2cents of why I think so many mages flock to the BH."

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Temi wonders, "We're discussing... do you guys think it would be better if we defined some more mission statement type theme and didn't leave it up to the leaders?"

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims, "I know if I were Tene, the first thing I'd do is ditch the stupid name, sit down with the Justiciar and find out what it'd take to not be insta-ganked, and then recruit revolutionaries to slowly but methodically effect progressive change. :)"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male declares, "Ha!"

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man states, "Maybe the Brotherhood and the Reeves shouldn't be enemeis."

A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims, "Like university students."

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Forsythe says, "From what I know from past characters, the Brotherhoods mission is to take from those who have more than they need."

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Azarial claims, "If the king of thieves could keep thigns under control, the reeves might not be so quick to gank him in public. keep slavery down in the city or something."

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Takta says to Temi, "I personally think we do need to define missions, because the lack of constancy hurts the game."

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Temi nods.

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A towering dark skinned man says to Temi, "I dont think a mission statement but more of a push towards a general direction."

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man claims, "Maybe the Brotherhood should keep their crime under control. Maybe the Reeves and the Brotherhood can come to an understanding."

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Takta claims, "Also, those two guilds probably should exist to serve the purpose of causing troule."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes states, "The BH mission varies from rampant violence, sitting idle and having lots of mudsex, and/or methodical terror. :P"

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A towering dark skinned man states, "Like if your going to run this guild this is the general path you need to keep."

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Takta states to a bulky, rounded young Tubori man, "That tends to hurt RP, though, if they aren't enemies. We've had that problem before."

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Takta states to a bulky, rounded young Tubori man, "More conflict, not less, is what we need."
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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims, "The only issue with defining natural enemies is that you need to consider turnover rate: it's very easy for Reeves to replenish. BH, not so much."

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes says, "You can have likely enemies, but I don't think "always enemies" is the right approach when one guild is pretty much "destined for death.""

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock says, "Sometimes, when I was sapi, me and the Tene kept trying to keep things moving and active, we didn't really kill anyone, started working on break ins, gathered info on people, then bad stuff happened :("

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Temi nods at a raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock.

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Forsythe claims to a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes, "I absolutely agree."

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Takta claims, "Being a BH member should not involve being destined for death. People HAVE been okay about that lately - the only folks who died in the big prisoner thing actually merited death sentences by the law."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male states, "Its just... Its tough. Do you turn into jackbooted thieves, intent on destroying the city? Or go political? Or peaceful? Mages or no? Theres so many dynamic choices."

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Takta claims, "It's just that a whole lot of thieves had decided to merit death sentences."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male states, "And most folks just take the easy route."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states, "There's a post, I can't remember exactly what it's called, something about making a good bad guy, biggest thing I gleaned from it was, if you get caught, DON'T throw in the towel, you're not dead till your in the dead room"

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Temi grins at a raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock.

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Temi claims, "Great advice."

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Takta claims, "Amen. A lot of people got out of that mass prisoner arrest."

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(visnet) Aide Marisa: Welcome to TI Legacy, Asira!

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Azarial says, "Most seem to just give up, though."

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(visnet) Player Asira: Thanks. How's it going?

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(visnet) Aide Marisa: If you have any questions, please feel free to ask on this channel. We'd be glad to help out! :) It goes well.

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Azarial says, "'i got caught, time to BURN IT ALL DOWN'"

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes states, "Sadly, a few of them escaped due to OOC cheating, but it does seem that it's the tendency for captive folks to turn EVERYONE ELSE in out of spite, too."

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states, "This character has been in Ahalin, for magery suspicion, I thought I was dead, but just rp'd my way out"

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes says, "And I don't mean the escapees cheated... I mean the people who captured them cheated. They were rightfully liberated."

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Takta nods at a slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes.

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Azarial states, "Or jsut see if the reeve on duty is amenable to bribery. i was expecting to hegar about clerical errors in the processing letting people go."

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A towering dark skinned man claims, "Dont play in the kitchen if you cant handle the heat."

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Temi nods.

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Azarial says, "'what are you in for?' '....stole a loaf of bread?' 'right. fifty silver, get out of here' and off a mag goes"

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Forsythe claims, "I think the reason that people give up is because if they do get out they'll be watched and questioned if anything bad goes down."

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Takta questions, "So DO folks feel like more theme definition for Manus and Thieves would be helpful?"

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A slender man with coal-black hair and grey eyes claims, "I once had a Reeve who released a prisoner because his higher-ups didn't put his name on the arrest board, so clearly it was a mistake. The prisoner later ended up murdering a ton of folks."

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A towering dark skinned man says to Takta, "Yes"

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male nods.

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A bulky, rounded young Tubori man states, "We have Gnotes. No longer can scumbags sneak out because WE GOT FILES."

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A large, stone-faced Lithmorran male says, "Gnotes are awesome."

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Temi says, "Well.. shall we go ahead and wrap up now then? We're about half an hour over. And people out there want RP"

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Temi grins.

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Takta states to a bulky, rounded young Tubori man, "Just keep in mind that SOMETIMES not cracking down on scumbags with full force can be more fun. ;)"

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Takta grins at Temi.

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A raven-haired Vandagan man with a snow white lock states to Forsythe, "That's good rp, your character being suspected, offers all kinds of oppurtunities, gives a character something to rise above, or potential contacts that he's been wanting to get"

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Forsythe states to Takta, "Absolutely. but helpfiles are no good if nobody reads them. I think that a GL should also be required to read their helpfiles if not strongly suggested to."

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Takta nods.

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Takta says, "We'd have to make sure it went beyond helpfiles and into perception and policy, yes. "

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Temi nods.

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Temi wonders, "Any last things before we call it and send you guys back? Everybody got cookies, righ?"

[Applesauce]

Thanks for posting the meeting log.

[Lei]

Yes, thank you! I work most of my Saturdays and don't get to attend many of these meetings. Awesome to be able to catch up via forums.

[Geras]

I thought I'd just point out that Manus does not and has not had a rule against members going out and disturbing shit.

[Leech]

A towering dark skinned man states, "I understand that nobles have the Im better than you on ever aspect of life attitude but still they dont need to take control of major events like last night."

Assuming that throughout the majority of the conversation the name you didn't want to say was 'Leech's stupid character'. But, then again, assuming sometimes makes an ass out of people. Tally ho, though!

Quite honestly, I was watching you, looking for ways to RP... and you kind of gave up halfway through the event. You didn't really reach out - and I'm sorry if you got discouraged by how Casimir treated your character, but you have to realize - he's a god damn asshole. RPing with him is trouble, and honestly I wouldn't be the least offended if you RPed with others - which is what I kept hoping you would do. Ask Rothgar about his war days, go try to dance with Beronica, etc. Admittedly, the plot got magified rather quickly so these things would have been short lived anyways.

The point I'm trying to make here is please don't give up on RP in larger scenes. Unless it's combat based, nobody needs to take turns, and people generally go into cliques to make emoting easier. I usually just scan others emotes for my name before moving on with whoever I'm emoting with.

(A side note: When I say RP with others, I don't mean ignore Casimir ICly. I don't care how people feel OOCly, really - if your actions ICly draw consequences, I'm not going to sugar-coat them. But it's pretty easy to move RP elsewhere, in a thematic manner.)

[wimple]

I'm tired and not trying to beat up on you, Leech. Scout's honor! In fact, I don't really think you should take responsibility for the noble complaints, because I'm not sure that it had anything to do with you, necessarily. It looked like a couple people made the complaint and if I had been there, I would have agreed. If it's just one person having an issue, then maybe it's just them. But I think it's far more fair to say there are advantages and disadvantages to large-scale one-room events, and keeping every player engaged is difficult in a large one-room scene. Especially when the pbase default is to form cliques, which I feel is more hurtful than helpful.

I bowed out after thirty minutes. I tried to engage with a couple people, it didn't work. I couldn't figure out what was going on, so beyond those initial attempts, didn't really know what to do. Room spam, clique RP, and just plain missing the initial set up (I didn't realize it had started, I think I had OOC off) and my time limitations contributed to my problems. I also don't much care for large scale one-room type things, so after a couple of feeble attempts to figure things out, it was easier to nope right out of there. But if someone's made a good faith effort to engage and it's not working, then ti's not time to say, "You could have done X, Y, or Z" in addition to whatever else they tried. At that point, it's time to acknowledge that there are draw backs to different types of events and it doesn't work for everyone.

From what I saw at the beginning, there were lots of nobles nobling it up all over the place. That's great and likely a function of (a) having clear direction in that sort of social setting on what your character should be doing and (b) having clear rank in the scene. Personally, I think it's a good thing, because you guys can stir the shit until the plot gets going. But I can see how that can be discouraging to other players, too, because it's the same old stuff rehashed over and over again, kind of like tavern or Church Square RP. I dislike ball-type events for this reason. It feels like the same thing each time.

I don't really like large scenes, but I showed up because the event seemed to be marketed that we'd all have goals and objectives to accomplish over the night, which would force inter-class interaction that wasn't stereotypical. We needed to contact staff that we'd be attending before hand. I expected to be contacted back by staff with an objective or purpose for being there, or at the very least, to be directed somehow in scene after I got there. I probably didn't stick around long enough for that to happen. I wasn't there to see the mage hijack the scene, but I could see that being upsetting as well, if it resulted in the same-old same-old (certain people take over the scene, expected outcomes -- that's not a slap on anyone else's RP, I'm sure if I had been there, I would have been elbowing for taking it over). If I pop on for a quest, I'm expecting to come on to something different, not the same thing.

Bottom line - it can be hard to RP anything, whether it's a non-thematic freeman, a thematic freeman, a noble, or an an honest-to-Dav Davite. Some scenes are easier than others for people to integrate into, either because of class, the character, the player's personality, or random happenstance. It's great that it was easy for you that time, or you think you could have managed it from a different character, but it wasn't for everyone. I think that's fair feedback.

Constructive feedback: Smaller group RP is difficult for one person to manage, so I see why this doesn't work with this set up. Instead of doing single-imm quests, it might be more useful to have staff partner up for events, to at least split things into two rooms. One imm could still be responsible for coming up with the plot of the event, so the other Imm is really just RPing an NPC and still getting RP out of it. Else wise, something where small groups are given tasks that don't require direct oversight (if that's even possible) might be ideal. Realistically, I don't think you'll please everyone in the player base though - keep doing one room events, and encourage people to use ST to run smaller events (like some have lately) that are more for the 5-7 players crowd. Then there's variety and everyone's happy.

[Gavin]

There's only so many staff members, but there are plenty of players that, with the freedom to rpecho some stuff, could help with some heavy lifting.

I too hate large scenes: it eventually devolves into lots of osays, really short emotes (because that's the only way you can keep pace), and a LOT of reading at once. Hell, I mix another drink or hit the head, and I miss like 25 emotes during a large scene... huge buzzkill, let me tell you.

ANYWAY.

I raise my hand: next time there's a plottish thing going on and you need me to play some NPCs or rpecho moods, please, let me. I'll even go hidden (ie, (h) and shit) on Gavin and make it happen.

Get two more people (hi wimple, hi Leech) and it's go-time.

[Dice]

As a note, I'm pretty sure the plan was to let things split up/move into multiple rooms after the initial preliminaries were completed. There was going to be that 'complete your goal' aspect to it all, which could have easily been done in smaller scenes. But there ended up being insufficient time to plan the event fully so things didn't happen as intended. If things seemed awkward or lacking, that would be why, I expect. Real life got in the way - it does sometimes!

I don't know - as a noble player, it feels crappy to hear people refer to cliques and know that they mean you. Because you're playing a noble so you must be cliquey, right? It seems like any time a scene has noble PCs in it and non-noble PCs who can't seem to find a place, the blame immediately goes toward the noble players as somehow being exclusionary.

This is extremely frustrating to me. First off, it's not as if the nobles have something that they're withholding from the other players. Nobles don't somehow get a bigger share of the event by default that they have to spread around. There's more you can do at a charity ball as gentry or even a freeman as a noble; a noble's behavior is limited and circumscribed, whereas a freeman or gentry PC has much more latitude to start RP with anyone on any pretext.

Second off, I didn't see anything I would class as exclusionary, cliquey behavior whatsoever at the ball. Not from anyone. I saw people not always responding to every pose aimed toward them, but yeah, that's called big scene RP. You WILL miss things, especially if you're in a position where multiple people are talking to you at once. I'm good at big scene RP usually but I was having a lot of trouble keeping up.

Sometimes you try in a scene, and you can't find a place - fair enough. But what's not fair is to lay the blame at the feet of other players who are trying, too. Especially when just the sheer pressures of a big scene can explain things a lot better than any intentional decisions to exclude or be cliquish.

On a side point, I feel like this is another manifestation of a continuing trend that bugs the crap out of me: confusing IC privilege for OOC privilege. Cliquishness in particular is an ironic accusation to make. I've typically gone out of my way to try and interact with new people in the past. Less so nowadays - why?

Because people spurn you for being a noble. Often times they won't RP with you at all, or if they do it's often only to engage in RP that forces you to punish them ICly for disrespect, which gets incredibly old incredibly fast. You're stuck walking a line where you have to let a LOT of things go, unthematically, or never get to RP with anyone new. How many times have I walked into a tavern, tried to get RP by buying the whole room a round, only to watch everyone go silent and/or ignore me because they don't want to talk to a noble?

Nobles have a great position ICly in TI's world. But OOCly, as a player, it's the exact opposite. To be blamed for people's lack of fun in scenes on top of that... well, it's a reminder why my noble PC is much less fun to play these days than my freeman.

[Geras]

I'll be honest. For the most part I can't keep up with large scenes, and try to avoid participating in them. It seems I'm not alone in that. I'm generally a proponent of having fewer rather than more nobles due to the inherent stratification of RP, but I don't really think that was at work here. It's simply not possible to involve everyone effectively in a large scene with a large number of PCs. Such is life.